Need new tone



Need new tone

Postby stevehoweistheMAN » Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:15 am

..I recently aquired a new (but old from the 70's) Fender Concert amp....I use primarily a Tele (as I am a fender man through and through)...because of this my ear is more drawn to a more "fender sound" (cleaner, a little more trebley)...but as time has gone on, i've been wanting that unmistakable fender sound, but with a little more of a gibson crunch...maybe a "Roundabout/South Side" sound...anyone have some good settings or advice that might help me???

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Postby guilddigger » Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:42 am

<font face='Comic Sans MS'>harrison, congratulations on your choice of axe! i also play a tele, through a -68 twin reverb amp, (the model without master volume). i keep the bass and treble fairly low, around four or five and tweek up the mid to eight or nine. it gives a pretty clean sound that still has a bite. let me know how it goes.


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Postby psychopomp95 » Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:59 pm

Strats have a bit of a thicker sound to them, of course, while still retaining that high-end bite that Teles have, maybe to a SLIGHTLY lesser degree (fine by me - Teles can be ear-piercing at times, such as Steve's playing on Relayer)! <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> So getting a Strat is an option, although I'm not sure how much money you have to throw around!

Maybe a cheaper idea (and one that works 95% as well if you work it out right) is to get an equalizer... for a hollowbody-type sound, crank the "high-mids" (about 1.5 to 2kHz I think...?), cut the bass slightly, and leave the treble where it is - combine that with a fairly mellow overdrive, and you have a good approximation of Steve's tone. At least, that's what I've done with my Korg FX unit, and I use a Strat! <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> So considering that, it actually works fairly well to get that "clucky" sound of a hollowbody Gibson when clean, as well as that really soupy distortion that contrasts well with lots of trebly instruments - for instance, a Bruford and a Squire for the rhythm section! <img src=pix/silly.gif border=0 align=middle> And I guess it depends what kind of pickups you have, too! But it's worth a shot, if you have an EQ unit!
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Postby stevehoweistheMAN » Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:16 am

thanks guys! i'll give it a shot!

i have a strat by the way, i just play my tele about 95 percent of the time

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Postby stevehoweistheMAN » Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:18 am

also, any analog eq units?? i don't do digital anymore...<img src=pix/icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby style0 » Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:56 pm

For the last 10 or so years I've been a strictly Tele guy too. I've got a 1966 mahogany bodied Tele, with gold hardware much less. This is the best guitar I've ever played. I also needed to get a more Steve like sound for the Yes Tribute band I'm in. I tried everything, and I finally hit on the soulution. It's a 1999 Hamer Echotone 335 copy. This is the coolest $300 guitar I've ever played. It's sooooo smooth, and it gets the tone I need just by plugging it in. I know it's hard to set that Tele down, but sometimes you gotta take one for the team. I'll take one with this Hamer without any gripes.
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TONE AND TELES

Postby Dr_Yes » Wed Nov 17, 2004 2:14 pm

Talking of tone and Telecasters, I saw Ritchie Kotzen play live last night in Exeter. He came over to see the guys at Cornford Amplification as he's getting/got a new rig from them. He played throught a nice Tele straight into a half-stack with just maybe a Boss DD5 in the FX loop. Didn't bother looking to see what the effect was, but I am guessing he used it on a v. short delay to fatten things up.

The tone was awesome. Absolutely huge and fat and bluesy and shreddy and sensitive and percussive and just feckin marvellous. Wouldn't want to buy his records, prefer Robben Ford, but loved the way he played!

Am slowly gathering momentum to go and buy a new amp and though I can't afford a Soldano or Cornford, or any other boutique amp, I wouldn't mind a really juicy Marshall half-stack as a cost-effective compromise.
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Postby Greenglade's Frog » Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:12 pm

Here's some crunch on my Peavy 40 watt and Strat
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Re: Need new tone

Postby clubsprint » Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:00 pm

stevehoweistheMAN wrote:..I recently aquired a new (but old from the 70's) Fender Concert amp....I use primarily a Tele (as I am a fender man through and through)...because of this my ear is more drawn to a more "fender sound" (cleaner, a little more trebley)...but as time has gone on, i've been wanting that unmistakable fender sound, but with a little more of a gibson crunch...maybe a "Roundabout/South Side" sound...anyone have some good settings or advice that might help me???

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I used to be stuck for a decent tone, Had a 60's vox AC-30 and it was OK but really only did one sound.
I went the modelling pre-amp, Power-Amp (400Wpc RMS), Full range PA speakers (JBL 15+Horn) and haven't looked back. The only issue was the size and weight but I've now fixed that, sold the PwrAmp and JBLs and gone to a pair of Wharfdfale powered wedges. Ultra light but still sounds great.
I sold up my studio gear as well and went a bit mad on the pre-amps. My setup is real versatile and I can just go simple with 1 wedge and 1 preamp and still have a bunch of cool sounds or I can take both wedges (have stereo) and a bunch of pre-amps/outboard gear and go crazy for choice.
Current Pre-amps, Sansamp PSA-1, TRI-A.C., GT-2, Vox Tonelab, Rocktron Chameleon, Yamaha Magicstomp. Big range of great sounds or simplicity if I want it. My guitar, Ernie Ball Musicman Silhoette Special, S-S-H. I've had a lot of guitars but the MM is sublime, what a neck, beautifully built guitar.
If you want that Roundabout sound you need humbuckers (like in Steve's ES-175). A Tele through a Fender Concert is never going to do Gibson Crunch.
Look at some non-traditional options, it's quite cheap and amazing sounds.
Checkout http://www.amptone.com for more ideas.
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Re: Need new tone

Postby clubsprint » Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:00 pm

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Re: Need new tone

Postby child-of-the-light » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:40 am

I bought a tele from a guy in a heavy metal band (which I believe toured with Metalica) about a year ago. He replaced the bridge pickup with a Gibson humbucker and it makes for a pretty interesting sound.
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Re: TONE AND TELES

Postby Relayer » Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:54 pm

Dr_Yes wrote:Talking of tone and Telecasters, I saw Ritchie Kotzen play live last night in Exeter. He came over to see the guys at Cornford Amplification as he's getting/got a new rig from them. He played throught a nice Tele straight into a half-stack with just maybe a Boss DD5 in the FX loop. Didn't bother looking to see what the effect was, but I am guessing he used it on a v. short delay to fatten things up.

The tone was awesome. Absolutely huge and fat and bluesy and shreddy and sensitive and percussive and just feckin marvellous. Wouldn't want to buy his records, prefer Robben Ford, but loved the way he played!

Am slowly gathering momentum to go and buy a new amp and though I can't afford a Soldano or Cornford, or any other boutique amp, I wouldn't mind a really juicy Marshall half-stack as a cost-effective compromise.


If it's the Marshall crunch you need, I would say try out a Marshall JCM2000
DSL 401 combo, while it's a channel switching 40 watt tube amp w/a +10db boost it's extreamly creamy, the clean side is more Stones like, while the crunch is pure Zeppelin hedonism, also it's the loudest watts you'll ever hear, great for rehersals and small clubs, if you really want to get sick, take the line out to a 4 /12 Cabinet.
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