Most Deserving Prog bands still not widely known



Postby Relayer » Tue Oct 15, 2002 6:22 am

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<font color=red>Among new bands, I like Porcupine Tree, but I'm curious about the new album forthcomeing, I heard it's heavier, and I never like the sound of that . . .
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After their show in NY they gave out a sampler CD with three new songs from the new album. Yes it sounds a bit heavier, but not much. What I really like about this band is the live shows. Steve's guitar gets really psychedelic. Coma Divine is really great. I bet they will be big in a year.

Echolyn sounds interesting. Any more info?

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Guys Porcupine Tree have created a masterpiece with In Abstentia, if you haven't got any PT you might want to check the Nearfest archives for the live set they did there as a reference, but In Abstentia is , in my opinion, a giant leap forward.
Thanks Proffet, your suggestions made me listen to Lightbulb Sun again, and again, and thanks to Yaddict for the heads up on In Abstentia, see you November 2nd, the first round is on me.

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Postby Relayer » Tue Oct 15, 2002 6:34 am

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Anyone here have any recommendations for who they think is one of the newer prog`s better vocalists?
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Maybe he'll become the official vocalist now that Neal Morse has left Spock's Beard, but I'm totally jazzed about Nick D'Virgilio! I don't think I've liked another vocalist this much since I first heard Jon Anderson.

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Hi Michelle, as much as I'm gonna miss Neal I can't think of anyone other than Nick who can get the job done, I think the next SB album will be just as good as anything they've ever done, who knows, but this kind of makes me worry if Nick will still have time to work with the Mike Keneally Band.

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Postby perpetualchanger » Tue Oct 15, 2002 8:34 am

Um, that's a good question! I don't know. I just have this feeling NDV is about to hit the big time ...

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Postby Stoutman » Tue Oct 15, 2002 11:29 am

I hve never heard NDV sing lead, but I have heard him sing backup behind Kevin Gilbert whilst playing drums in his band Giraffe. They were playing `The lamb' at a progressive rock festival some years back. I have this whole performance on tape. NDv seemed to handle backup vocal chores well. But Kevin Gilbert was an exceptional talent; It`s too bad that he chose that way out. He was a damn good vocalist.
I seem to be sensing a pattern here; Spock`s Beard from what I have seen, have released their magnum opus, the same way Genesis had the `Lamb'. Lead singer leaves after album just as Gabriel did( well, Gabriel left after tour of that album. Drummer may step in and handle lead chores like Collins did. Bigger sucess may arrive.for this band. NDV, if you folks say he is that good, might go onto a solo career. Just pray he doesn`t turn into a vile disgusting shit like Pablum Phil Disney Collins.
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Postby fragilesi » Tue Oct 15, 2002 2:50 pm

LOL Stout, I can just see NDV doing a cover of <i>You can't hurry love</i> . . . I wonder if he'd look as dozy trying to dance to it as Collins did.

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Postby perpetualchanger » Tue Oct 15, 2002 6:29 pm

NDV does have a solo album that I think is quite good. He also seems like a pretty cool guy! And Ryo Okumoto's album comes out TODAY so I'll be making another SB related purchase shortly ...

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Postby PapaJimH » Thu Oct 17, 2002 6:59 am

You wouldn't keep buying 'em if you weren'tgetting your money's worth right Perp?

I think you're gonna like Ryo's album too. Players include Simon Phillips, Steve Lukather, Bobby Kimball, Glen Hughes, NDV, Dave Carpenter and the Morse brothers. It's quite an eclectric treat.
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Postby Relayer » Thu Oct 17, 2002 7:26 am

From the audio clips I heard on the SB wesbite I can't wait, it should have been in todays mail, probably tommorow, can't wait.

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Postby perpetualchanger » Thu Oct 17, 2002 7:44 am

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That's right! I think everyone thinks Neal = SB but I don't think that's true. I am highly impressed with Ryo, the more I hear the more I like. And NDV is just awesome, no two ways about it.

Just like Yes and other great bands, SB has more talent than is seen on the surface. In fact, I think SB is probably going to become like Yes for me - will have to have all the albums, all the solos, etc.

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Postby Relayer » Fri Oct 18, 2002 6:59 am

Damn, now I'm getting a release date of November 5th on Ryo's solo disc.

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Postby Relayer » Sat Oct 19, 2002 4:00 am

Well ,I never got to see Spocks Beard while Neal was with them, so I ordered the new DVD live set from Radiant records, very much looking forward to it too.

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Postby qman » Sat Oct 19, 2002 1:00 pm

Thanks for the Kings X info, I have had them on my list to check out for sometime now so very soon I'll pick up one or two cd's.
I'm really very late to this topic, but I have to say that I agree with much of what I read about the Flower Kings, great and underated, what a damn shame. The Prog scene however, is alive and well even if great bands like the FK's only draw 40 people to a bowling alley. I can see signs already that America is waking up a bit to this Brittany, Back Street, bullshit, however the real problem for prog is rap & hip hop. As long as most high school kids keep buying rap and hip hop cd's prog will suffer. I still think your average 15 to 19 year old has a much shorter attention span than kids their age 20 & 30 years ago. Lets face it to really get into prog you have to be willing to actually listen, and the kids I see in my neighborhood driving around with their white baseball caps and rap blaring from the car aren't listening to anying past the beaaatch and remaining unregonizable lyrics coupled with the ridiclous electronic drum beat, it's like those books only this would be "music for dummies". Look at this way, I have music I bought 30 years ago I still pull out and play and appreciate, are any of these high school kids listening to Rap ever going to play that shit 10 15 or 20 years from now? Not a chance, it's plastic and disposable. I play YES for my son and he likes it and sings along are any of these kids ever going to put rap on for their 7 year old!
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Postby Relayer » Sun Oct 20, 2002 4:54 am

Hey Qman, The Flowerkings are one my favorite bands, very much looking forward to Unfold The Future, and the Official Bootleg, I'm still trying to find out when Tomas Bodins second solo disc is coming out too.

I don't care for most of the stuff on my radio, rap and rock alike, I don't want my kids being influenced by this crap either, too negitive , too violent, doesn't build self respect, or understanding, but that's just my opinion.

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Postby Relayer » Sat Oct 26, 2002 6:51 am

For better or worse I would like to throw the Buggles in this conversation, being former Yes members, I'd like to hear what you think.

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Postby fragilesi » Sat Oct 26, 2002 3:14 pm

Buggles, hmmm, I'm not sure, they definitely had some interesting ideas and I did buy a couple of their singles. It was innovative but is it prog? I'm not sure personally.

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Postby perpetualchanger » Sat Oct 26, 2002 6:32 pm

I think the Buggles were on the road to pop success and they happened to take a detour into Progland (and I happen to think that detour was a huge mistake, but that's just me).

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Postby Ed1909 » Sun Oct 27, 2002 5:18 am

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I think Downes found his true path.

As for Horn...well I think I agree with you although I still think Drama is a fine album.


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Postby Relayer » Sat Nov 02, 2002 8:30 am

Finally Tomas Bowdin, Flower Kings Keyboardist, has released his second solo disc Pinup Gurus, has anybody heard it yet? He has his own website now also, I got there thru the Flowerpower site, man this guy has got chops.

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Postby Affirmative » Sat Nov 02, 2002 12:44 pm

Hmmmm, this thread seems to have wandered from its original path. My votes:

1) Cairo (90s band influenced by ELP with vocalist that sounds like Anderson; extended tracks up to 25 minutes in length)

2) Citizen Cain (excellent 90s band that reminds me of Gabriel-era Genesis; extended tracks up to 25 minutes in length)

3) IQ (great 80s/90s/2000s band somewhat like mid period Genesis; they even have a double concept album called Subterranea!)

4) Spock's Beard (great, all over the map - best album is Beware of Darkness)

5) Magellan (heavy prog with hints of Queen's vocal layers and Rush's syncopation)
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Postby perpetualchanger » Sat Nov 02, 2002 8:26 pm

I officially enter a vote for Ryo Okumoto here. If you think Spock's Beard was all about Neal ... listen to Ryo's new solo album, Coming Through. It sounds more prog to my ears than a lot of SB stuff and I can hear where he influences SB more than most people think. Ryo has a lot of great organ work on this album. Well worth a listen.

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Postby Relayer » Thu Nov 07, 2002 7:04 am

Affermative is right, this ones slippin, how about this, When Neal Morse left Spocks Beard, I e-mailed Mike Keneally wondering if Nicks days with Mike were over, ...here's his reply

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<< With Neal Morse leaving Spocks Beard I was wondering a few things,
If Nick moves into the lead vocal spot with Spocks Beard will he
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Yep, we'll figure out the timing and make it work!

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Postby Relayer » Tue Nov 12, 2002 9:09 am

Has anyone else picked up the Flowerkings, Unfold the Future? I find it technically perfect, but lacking in the things that first made me love this band, perhaps , just like Rainmaker, it will take awhile. What do you think?

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Postby perpetualchanger » Tue Nov 12, 2002 10:51 am

Haven't listened in detail but I'm about to review it. It certainly hasn't grabbed me by the heartstrings yet.

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Hmmmm, this thread seems to have wandered from its original path. My votes:

1) Cairo (90s band influenced by ELP with vocalist that sounds like Anderson; extended tracks up to 25 minutes in length)

2) Citizen Cain (excellent 90s band that reminds me of Gabriel-era Genesis; extended tracks up to 25 minutes in length)

3) IQ (great 80s/90s/2000s band somewhat like mid period Genesis; they even have a double concept album called Subterranea!)

4) Spock's Beard (great, all over the map - best album is Beware of Darkness)

5) Magellan (heavy prog with hints of Queen's vocal layers and Rush's syncopation)
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Hi Affirmative
While I've heard of Citizen Cain, I've never heard any, do you have a first timer recomendation?.
I couldn't agree with you more about Spocks Beard.

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I officially enter a vote for Ryo Okumoto here. If you think Spock's Beard was all about Neal ... listen to Ryo's new solo album, Coming Through. It sounds more prog to my ears than a lot of SB stuff and I can hear where he influences SB more than most people think. Ryo has a lot of great organ work on this album. Well worth a listen.

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I'll second that, I've had this one in the player since I got it, I thought the Jordan Rudess disc was gonna be the the greatest keys disc ever, sorry Wakey, but I found it sterile and rather cold, on the other hand Ryo's disc cut right through the flash and cooks.
I was worried for a while about the future of SB, after one listening of Coming Through, I'm looking forward to it.

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Postby bundy » Tue Nov 19, 2002 10:21 pm

The World According to Bundy.
Fower Kings, Rush, Dream Theatre they're all cool.

Contemporary Prog. acts worthy of a much broader following (in no particular order).

Flower Kings. No doubt about it. I'm not even going to get into the FK v Rush debate though. I love 'em both.

Arena/ Pendragon/ Clive Nolan. I've lumped these 3 together as they both share Nolan as a keyboard player. This guy is sensational. I have yet to hear anything he has been involved in that I haven't really enjoyed.

Cast. Only have the one album, Imaginary Windows, but if all their releases are this good then I must get some more.

Par Lindh Project. A truly incredible Swedish group led by Par lindh whose style and sound reminds me very much of Keith Emerson. Gothic Impressions is a beautiful album that should be essential for all lovers of progressive music.

Glass Hammer. Chronomotree is great. Perlandra would also appeal to a wide audience if a major label had the balls to promote it.

Devil Doll. Without doubt the most astonishing band I have ever heard. This bands music transcends genres and is almost impossible to categorise. The vocals take a bit of getting used to but the music is intense, powerful, beautiful, haunting, nightmarish, comical and much more all at once. Dies Irae is my single desert island album above all else and has been since I first bought it 2 years ago. This is one band that most people will never know existed as to often the music world goes for the lowest common denominator and mediocrity is rewarded. As we say down undre "shit floats to the top". A nyone waning to chase up Devil Doll's Dies Irae could try Laser's Edge as theydid stock it at one stage.
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Postby Relayer » Thu Nov 28, 2002 9:03 am

Hi Bundy
I'm a big fan of Glasshammer's Chronometree, havn't heard Pelandra yet but I'm gonna order it anyhow.
I heard about Cast a couple of years ago on the Flowerkings site, another band to check out, thanks.

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Postby Relayer » Thu Nov 28, 2002 9:22 am

After reading the Phil Collins related posts I wanted to bring up Brand X, one of my late seventies favorites. anyone have any thoughts?

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Postby yesireebob » Thu Nov 28, 2002 2:37 pm

FYI,the Dutch Progressive Rock Page has lots of great reviews of all the prog bands mentioned in this topic, and then some. I am very impressed with this site. Great source for discovering new music, and for reading reviews reviews of new CD's and DVD's by existing prog bands. Round table reviews; and there is an alpha index for reading older reviews. Although from the Netherlands, the site is in English. Check it out!
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Postby fragilesi » Thu Nov 28, 2002 5:32 pm

I'll second that the DPRP must be one of *the* most comprehensive sites and is run by a very dedicated team of knowledgable people. Okay they trashed the Fragile CD but we've got over that now<img src=pix/icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>.

So many sites start, promise the world and disappear but these guys have been providing a great site for years. More power to their collective elbow!

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