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Postby jackalz » Mon Dec 16, 2002 12:35 am

I just bought myself some Christmas presents. One is Joni Mitchell Travelogue. It's a double CD of orchestral arrangements of some of her more symphonic songs. Well, actually she takes some less symphonic songs, too and makes them symphonic. Case in point is Woodstock. Of course, her original version was quite a bit slower and less rockin' than the CSN version. But she's slowed it down a bit more and changed many inflections, plus the orchestral music is re-done, too. The over all effect helps to reconsider the attitude that was at Woodstock and back-to-the-garden aspect that was essential to the peace movement. I consider it progressive music, but it's not really progrock.

Anyway, if you like Joni and you like an orchestra that doesn't do muzak, you will love this 2CD.

She also did a single CD with orchestra, Both Sides Now, if you're not ready to pony up the dough for the double. There are no repeat songs on the two productions, and both are done superbly.

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Postby sound_chaser » Mon Dec 16, 2002 2:53 am

Progressive music it certainly was Jack; it’s a shame that the original spirit of what was progressive, became watered down into the pigeonhole of prog that has since sadly become a dirty word in the wider music loving community! I don’t know whether I’ll be picking up this particular album for a while, because there is still too much of Joni Mitchell’s back-catalogue waiting on my wants list! Joni, is someone I’ve always enjoyed, but never seemed to have got around to buying any of her albums! I aim to rectify that in the New Year, but I’m going to start with the early albums first and work my way through: Blue and Ladies Of The Canyon are first on the list! I particularly want to buy the album she recorded with legendary fusion bassist, Jaco Pastorius! I’ve got her original version of Woodstock on a compilation and also the C.S.N.Y version from the awesome Déjà vu album; one other version I would like to have, was the one recorded by Mathews Southern Comfort, which was a huge hit in the UK.

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Postby Mola Mola » Tue Dec 17, 2002 5:39 am

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Progressive music it certainly was Jack; it’s a shame that the original spirit of what was progressive, became watered down into the pigeonhole of prog that has since sadly become a dirty word in the wider music loving community! I don’t know whether I’ll be picking up this particular album for a while, because there is still too much of Joni Mitchell’s back-catalogue waiting on my wants list! Joni, is someone I’ve always enjoyed, but never seemed to have got around to buying any of her albums! I aim to rectify that in the New Year, but I’m going to start with the early albums first and work my way through: Blue and Ladies Of The Canyon are first on the list! I particularly want to buy the album she recorded with legendary fusion bassist, Jaco Pastorius!
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Richard,


FYI, Jaco plays on not one, but several of Joni's records from the mid-70s, but my personal favorites (by far) are Hejira and the live album, called Shadows and Light. IMHO, hard to go wrong with either of these!<img src=pix/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby guilddigger » Tue Dec 17, 2002 8:25 am

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i've always been very much in awe of joni. she's one of the greatest songwriters and she plays very nice guitar. it's too bad she don't tour much anymore because of her suffering from ms. as a guitarist i've always been intrigued by her playing not to mention her various tunings. i heard she has about fifty tunings she uses. i know maybe seven. funnily, like sound chaser i don't have that many albums by her. i have some penance to do. <img src=pix/icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby jackalz » Mon Dec 23, 2002 12:50 am

(excerpts from)Dog Eat Dog

It's dog eat dog, I'm just waking up
The dove is in the dungeon
And white-washed hawks sell hate and call it love

Dog eat dog

Holy hope in the hands of
Snake bit evangelists and rackateers
And big wig financiers

Where the wealth's displayed
Thieves and sycophants parade
And where it's made --
the slaves will be taken

Some are treated well
In these games of buy and sell
And some like poor beasts
Are burdened to the breaking

Land of snap decisions
Land of short attention spans
Nothing is savored
Long enough
To really understand

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Postby sound_chaser » Mon Dec 23, 2002 5:02 am

I found this in the latest issue of Mojo magazine: This Is Quit: Joni Mitchell claims she is quitting the music industry in disgust. Her latest double album, Travelogue, is her final recording. “These are my last two records” she told US magazine W. “I’m quitting after this because the business has made itself so repugnant to me,” going on to outline her distaste with modern promotion techniques. “What would I do? Show my tits, grab my crotch? Get hair extensions and a choreographer? It’s not my world.”

That’s a sad indictment of today’s music scene, but I can’t help feeling that artists like Joni and Yes, who no longer command the music industry respect they once did, should follow the lead of Prince, and conduct their business through the internet to people they know would care and would want to buy their music.

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Postby jackalz » Mon Dec 23, 2002 11:27 am

I've just recently joined the Joni mailing list from http://www.jmdl.com/gallery/register.cfm

It's a lot like here, with a mixture of varying degrees of fans, talking about life's lessons. The mailing list format sucks, there's too much clutter, unlike YesTalk. But the conversations are much freer (like AH, but less-obviously flirty) and the respect level remains good, not immaculate though, but kind of like YesTalk, and AH. I was expecting quite a few more female fans posting, but I would say the majority are male, due in large part to the gay men that are fans.

Some people are bummed that she's "quitting". Other people don't believe that she's quitting. Other people think she's making excuses because her voice is failing. Just like here, everyone's putting together their story, based on the "facts" they know. I love Travelogue. I really enjoy the set of songs she picked for the orchestral reinterpretation. I love the character of Joni's voice. If she doesn't feel inspired to produce anything new, that's fine by me. Like Yes, I'll be getting plenty of satisfaction for the rest of my life from what they have already produced.

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Postby hennie552001 » Mon Dec 23, 2002 5:20 pm

I can understand Joni's feelings towards the record industry.
I'm also a great admirer of her work.
Just thought I should mention this: If you love Joni, there's no reason why you shouldn't love Anna Ryder, british singer/songwriter. Mostly accoustic, sometimes with jazzy arrangements. Very often, both live and in studio, with Dave Pegg and the rest of Fairport Convention as backing band. Don't blame yourself for not being familiar with her work, hard for a serious woman without silikon boobs to be recognised these days.The record industry stinks!
Listen to a couple of tracks here:
http://www.folkcorp.co.uk/jukebox/
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Postby yesireebob » Sun Dec 29, 2002 11:16 am

The one album of Joni's that I consider indispensible is Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. I bought it when it came out in '75 or so and have since replaced it in cassette and then CD format. Double album with one song that is nearly 20 minutes long (Parprika Plains) how's that for proggy? Also delves into world music with Dreamland and Tenth World; Otis and Marlena has some still oddly timely lyrics "while Muslims stick up Washington." My favorite song is the title track, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, "last night the ghost of my old ideals re-ran on Channel 5." Cotton Lane is dreamy; Talk to Me is a hoot, "I didn't know I drank such a lot, Till I pissed a tequila-anaconda The full length of the parking lot." Try this album; it is overlooked but one of my favorites!
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Postby jackalz » Thu Jan 02, 2003 2:56 am

yessirreebob,

I have it and love it. But Joni is like Yes to me, every album and almost every song is a wonderful expression of life. Otis and Marlena is the opening song to the Travelogue 2CD. It's done a little slower with the orchestra, plus a few jazz musicians, Wayne Shorter, Herbie Hancock, Larry Klein (her ex-hubby), and Billy Preston.
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