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A Great Day for music

Postby Jon Flanagan » Sat Jun 05, 2004 8:56 am

Sometime this afternoon, a piece of news appeared on MSN that made made me a very happy camper....The band Creed broke up! The pseudo-christian, Pearl Jam rip-off outfit called it a day citing " musical differences." Personally, I feel singer/wife beater Scott Stapp was irritated at the others for not devoting more time to bible study, or the band members wanted to make a concept album based on the book of Revalation, and Stapp thought it was too dark. Anyway, this band sucks are their all done...rejoice!

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Postby Astral traveller » Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:15 am

<font color=black>Well, I'm not familliar with their music, but I think I heard of them 1 or 2 times. I you say they suck, it must be the truth then.

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Postby Tomfoolery » Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:35 am

Yanno, I don't think they sucked. If they called it a day citing "musical differences", then maybe that's exactly what it was.. differences in ideas as to which direction to move in. Their last album seemed to sound an awful lot like a mix of the first 2, and it was time to change their musical colors a bit.. to become innovative, perhaps experimental... and maybe they couldn't agree on how to adjust their style to grow as a band. Actually, I like Scott Stapp's voice a lot, and I'm also glad that their music was basically positive in it's message.. it was a WHOLE lot more positive than, say, Nickelback or Kid Rock or even Ramstein and other heavy bands. It gave this generation something to listen to other than angst. And, regardless of your personal opinion of the band (which you are definitely entitled to), you can't deny that they were enormously popular.

The "pseudo-Christian" and "wife beater" comments seem more opinion than based on any fact (although I did hear something about abuse on the tabloid television that so many people have playing, or on some Hollywood Trash type "pseudo-news" commentary or something like that). Personally, I don't follow gossip like that, and I don't know that it's even true, or if he was actually convicted of it, or if it was sensationalism (or even pure fiction) brought out by the, again, "pseudo-media".

And, "pseudo-Christian" is harsh, and none of us know what the truth is there, either.

I've personally enjoyed listening to all 3 of their albums, and will continue to enjoy them when I'm in the mood to listen to them. And, I'm NEVER glad when creative juices cease to flow in harmony amongst those that used to mesh so well. It's kinda sad for them, in a way, and sad for their fans.

Enough of my opinions. :)

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Postby Roan's Lady » Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:25 am

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<b>Jon Flanagan wrote:</b>
Sometime this afternoon, a piece of news appeared on MSN that made made me a very happy camper....The band Creed broke up! The pseudo-christian, Pearl Jam rip-off outfit called it a day citing " musical differences." Personally, I feel singer/wife beater Scott Stapp was irritated at the others for not devoting more time to bible study, or the band members wanted to make a concept album based on the book of Revalation, and Stapp thought it was too dark. Anyway, this band sucks are their all done...rejoice!
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I'm familiar with some of Creed's music, and what I've heard, I've liked. Never knew any personal details re Scott Stapp (sometimes personal details are so distracting! <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>), but be advised, some bands are like some people - they break up, only to get back together again down the road!

Does anyone find that the Stone Temple Pilots were a rip-off of Pearl Jam? Man, I dig that Eddie Vedder...oops, perhaps this should be in Alternate Tunes?!
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Postby wild_westie » Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:54 am

I'm with Tomfoolery on this one. I like the band. I knew of a lot of young christian children who listened to their music with their parents permission. They had positive messages in their music. Do you remember a few months back when some concert goers tried to sue the band for Scott's bad performance at the concert they attended?
I think Scott was drinking at the time. I had the pleasure of interviewing Scott for about 45 minutes. We were able to go into his private room for the interview. He was a very gracious and humble person. I didn't sense the need to hurry the conversation. He let me stay as long as I wanted to. Out of all of the backstage treatment I've received over the years, Creed was by far the best!
They catered great food and drink for us, one-on-one private interviews, and pictures they produced, signed and sent to us. They also set up a special section with comfortable couches to sit on and enjoy the show. I hate when I see someone famous getting blasted in the media for their problems, be it drugs, drinking and so on. Oh,
their so judgemental. So Scott's a Christian. Does that entitle him to be bashed to a higher degree? Human, we're all human. I wish them all the best.
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Postby N2yes » Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:01 am

<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'>As much as I hate to do it, Jon, this one is headed for Alternate Tunes. However, I have to add that I personally could really care less about them breaking up. With all the goings-on in the world today, it's just a bit ridiculous that this miniscule tid-bit is deemed newsworthy. Oh well, just one man's opinion.</font id='Papyrus'></font id=red><img src=pix/icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby stevehoweistheMAN » Sat Jun 05, 2004 3:16 pm

um yeah i like creed too. gotta chill jon... you sound like someone from my high school

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Postby PapaJimH » Sun Jun 06, 2004 7:35 am

I see people singing the praises of "Creed has broken up, what a great day for music" all across the web. By I have a question...

<font size=3>WHO THE HELL IS CREED????</font id=size3>

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Postby stevehoweistheMAN » Sun Jun 06, 2004 8:18 am

a band, silly!

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Postby yesireebob » Sun Jun 06, 2004 12:00 pm

Re the wife-beater comment, I recall that it was Scott Stapp's wife who hit HIM in the face with a cell-phone. I also recall reading that he now has sole custody of their 2-year-old son. But regardless of personal issues, I liked Creed, saw them in concert and was impressed, especially with Scott. You have to give them credit for getting as huge as they did on an indie label -- with no the support from the music industry until AFTER they were successfull. That is rare. And although I am not a fan of so-called "Christian" music, I appreciate the spirituality of Creed's music. It is instrospective, searching, non-judgmental and positive. Very mature for such a young band, and way ahead of anything their contemporaries were, and are, doing. And it rocks! I hope to see them successfully continue with their respective careers.
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Postby Jon Flanagan » Sun Jun 06, 2004 3:00 pm

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<b>stevehoweistheMAN wrote:</b>
um yeah i like creed too. gotta chill jon... you sound like someone from my high school

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Chill Harrison? Funny coming from someone who got all bent out of shape over some inflatable stage props...I'm just exercising my opinion...
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Postby stevehoweistheMAN » Sun Jun 06, 2004 11:20 pm

actually that was jeffrae.....

i loved the props....

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Postby stevehoweistheMAN » Sun Jun 06, 2004 11:24 pm

and i'm not pissed at all, in the least...

i just laugh when adults tell me to grow up, because it seems hypocritical to me, when i hear stuff like that...

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Postby Stoutman » Wed Jun 09, 2004 1:04 pm

Jon; a great day for music is when Pablum/Disney Phil Collins retires from the music scene. We will all be spared from that nasal whine. The mental scars inflicted from that man`s self-pitying balladeering have deeply traumatized me.
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Postby psychopomp95 » Fri Jun 11, 2004 3:47 am

<img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle> Stout, you trashing Phil Collins NEVER gets old!! I'm hoping you've seen the South Park episode where they completely take the piss out of him... <img src=pix/silly.gif border=0 align=middle> they were almost as lethal as you are!
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Postby topographic_drama1980 » Fri Jun 11, 2004 5:25 am

I have been wondering this for quite some time now. Why is nearly everyone here bashing Phil Collins? What did he do for you guys to hate him so much? So, he's doing his solo career thing and he's doing stuff for Disney movies. Is that a crime? He's making a hell of a lot more money than all of us combined. You should be happy for the guy. I know he's still making pretty much the same kind of music since the late 80's (his ealry solo stuff was quite awesome), with soft rock and ballads and cover songs and stuff, but I feel he's good at it. I know I wasn't totally happy with the way his solo stuff and the Genesis stuff sounded damn near identical to each other, but I still enjoyed it. I heard a rumor that the classic Genesis line-up, yes with Peter Gabriel AND Steve Hackett, are getting back together soon. I dunno if it's true, but if it is I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR IT!!!

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Postby Stoutman » Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:10 pm

It`s no secret here I hate the man and I dont apologize for it. I have made my rep on this site bashing this man ,and he truly deseves the abuse. Disney/Pablum Phil Collins is an arrogant prick ,plain and simple.
Watch a copy of Genesis; A History and you will make up your mind about the louse. he trashes Yes, ELp, Floyd in this documentary stating he has agreed withthe punk`s asessment of these bands. That lot are crap, they are boring old farts. But I get upset when we are lumped in with them. Our music is different But there was a melody maker interview, circa 1977 hwere he states; We wondered what the big deal was(Punk rock). we got ahold of thoer albums and what we found was a great lack of talent.'
Does that sound like someone who supported punk rock from the get- go. He `s a revisionist asshole who thinks the shit doesnt stink on him.
Postule Phil has stated; Although I like Jon Anderson as person, I completeley hate that Yes music. So I consider it a double insult to be compared with something I cant stand.
Phil has even trashed dsome of the earlier genesis albums as being pretentious and overinindulgent, yet he had a big hand in making them. Whatkind of message does that send to the Genesis fans. It`s as if he is ashamed of the past that made them great. Have some pride.
Phil has amassive ego. When being interviewed in a documentry about the song `Another day on paradise, he states with great humility, Suddenly, I became a champion of this cause/.
Look, Phil` music is not my cup of tea. But that`s not my issue. He could have alittle more humility. I just feel he is very smarmy and arrogant, and dishonest.
Oh, yeah, don`t expect the Genesis reunion to happen.. But if it does, I prefer Phil`s ass crazy glued to the drum stoll with his mouth taped shut....
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Postby Stoutman » Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:24 pm

Oh, yeah, and how can I forget him inaugarating his solo career with songs detailing his pain and anguish form his first divorce, yet yearslater, Phil faxes his second wife a divorce, which is really a cruel way of handling things. That is so hypocritical coming from aman who carried on about the sadness and anger caused by his first divorce.
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Postby wild_westie » Sat Jun 12, 2004 2:11 am

You go Stoutman! I never knew this about ole' Phil. I NEVER liked his music. Phil's music is candy-ass pop sheet! Stout, now I'm traumatized by just thinking of him. You've converted me! May I be vice-president of your Phil Bashing Club? BTW, the dancing he does on his videos is repulsive. Peter Gabriel, now there's a former Genesis man who is worthy of my worship!
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Postby tribute1969 » Sat Jun 12, 2004 11:58 am

<b><font face='Papyrus'><font color=purple>Wonder WHEN Britney will
BREAK UP??</font id=purple></font id='Papyrus'></b>
<b><font face='Tempus Sans ITC'><font color=red>Bye Bye Miss AMERICAN PIE....</font id=red></font id='Tempus Sans ITC'></b>
DEERC OHW SERAC!!
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Postby topographic_drama1980 » Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:19 pm

That's kinda weird that he bashes Yes, even though Genesis were once part of the same genre as Yes, progressive rock. I do also find it weird that he called some the earlier Genesis pretentious and overindulgent when he definitely played a BIG part those albums. I don't get it. I still like some of his stuff, but I wonder why he has that kind of attitude. It was a jumpstart to his success with both Genesis and his solo stuff. I dunno. It's weird.

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Postby yeskat » Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:17 am

Okay, you've convinced me too! Never understood why Phil wasn't very popular around here, since I liked SOME of his stuff. If this is the case, then PHOOEY on him!<img src=pix/silly.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle>

By the way, another Creed fan here. Love the positive messages in their music, just like our beloved YES! I also wish the best for them. We need more bands like them in this crazy world.
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Postby wild_westie » Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:38 am

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<b>tribute1969 wrote:</b>
<b><font face='Papyrus'><font color=purple>Wonder WHEN Britney will
BREAK UP??</font id=purple></font id='Papyrus'></b>
<b><font face='Tempus Sans ITC'><font color=red>Bye Bye Miss AMERICAN PIE....</font id=red></font id='Tempus Sans ITC'></b>
DEERC OHW SERAC!!
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Sorry, Britney took a trip to The Crossroads and sealed her deal.
She'll never go away!
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Postby tribute1969 » Sun Jun 13, 2004 2:06 pm

<b><font face='Papyrus'><font color=red>I need to say ONLY nice things about others....
Britney "Broke Down" this week- hurt her knee shooting a video and had to have surgery on it.....
Now I wonder HOW she "hurt" her knees....????</font id=red></font id='Papyrus'></b><BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
<b>wild_westie wrote:</b>
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<b>tribute1969 wrote:</b>
<b><font face='Papyrus'><font color=purple>Wonder WHEN Britney will
BREAK UP??</font id=purple></font id='Papyrus'></b>
<b><font face='Tempus Sans ITC'><font color=red>Bye Bye Miss AMERICAN PIE....</font id=red></font id='Tempus Sans ITC'></b>
DEERC OHW SERAC!!
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Sorry, Britney took a trip to The Crossroads and sealed her deal.
She'll never go away!
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Postby topographic_drama1980 » Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:43 pm

Oooooh! Ouch!! <img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle>

Hell, I wasn't sure if she was ever able to get off her knees. <img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby Roan's Lady » Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:39 pm

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<b>tribute1969 wrote:</b>
<b><font face='Papyrus'><font color=red>I need to say ONLY nice things about others....
Britney "Broke Down" this week- hurt her knee shooting a video and had to have surgery on it.....
Now I wonder HOW she "hurt" her knees....????</font id=red></font></b>
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It can get pretty bumpy in the back of a pick-up truck, you know. <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>



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Postby Stoutman » Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:28 pm

I havent been online for awhile,but thanks for the support,guys. Wlid westie, Im not a president of any bashing club, although it may appear that way.
Phil Collins was someone i used to admire. Many people forget he was one of the more unique ,inventive drummers in the 70`s and the one album with Genesis where he was belivable and real was A Trick Of The Tail. This music does not date and he invests some warm, heartfelt performances.
Recently, I saw a Dvd of Phil with Genesis circa Invisible Touch tour. His idea of progressive is donning a pork pie hat, dark sungalsses nad inflecting a fake black accent ., while in the midst of Turn It On Again, he starts performing amedley of Motown tunes. This is indeed sad and Pablum Phil is a schmuck. The days of The lamb Lies Down On Broadway were definitely far gone.. Gone was the creativity and inventiveness. What we got was chessiness!!!!!
Jon, sorry to turn your thread inside out, but I neded to have my fun somewhere. Also, Im helping to prolong the life of your thread
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