It's official, we're a REAL band now



It's official, we're a REAL band now

Postby Ed Schaum » Mon Feb 03, 2003 1:19 am

NO MORE MIDI

Gone, deleted, out of the mix.

There are only REAL INSTRUMENTS played by REAL PEOPLE now. Here's the latest mix from this morning:


http://youtu.be/mAEdhDoquPU


Here's who's on it so far:

Lead Vocals: Perpetual Changer
Backing Vocals: Ed

Guitars: Psychopomp, Guilddigger, Ingnozac, Ed

Keyboards: Relayer

Bass: Aventure

Drums: Hammar

I still haven't added all of psycho's guitar parts, I'll try to get to that later today.
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Postby jackalz » Mon Feb 03, 2003 1:47 am

Very good, wonderful, almost excellent.

<hr>Celebrate the moment, as it turns into one more.
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Postby Silent_wings » Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:58 am

<font color=purple><font size=3>Wow
Great job</font id=size3></font id=purple>
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Postby IngnoZac » Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:58 am

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote><b>jackalz wrote:</b>
Very good, wonderful, almost excellent.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

hey, what do you mean 'ALMOST'? <img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle>

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<hr><i>If you read this line, remember not the hand that wrote it
Remember only the verse, songmaker`s cry, the one without tears
For I`ve given this its strength and it has become my only strength.</i>
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Postby Tomfoolery » Mon Feb 03, 2003 11:00 am

Well, having downloaded and listened to each incarnation that has been posted, I must say Congratulations to EVERYONE involved, and especially to Ed for an absolutely wonderful job editing everyone in and getting it to sound, to this untrained ear, relatively seamless! I know that there's more to be done, but it's been fascinating to listen to a work in progress and hearing it evolve.. gives me a much greater appreciation for the engineering and production roles of creating the tunes the majority of us take for granted. I know I had no idea of the extent to which these things can change a recording, and kept forgetting that I was listening to a final product. Kinda makes me think twice about some of my uneducated judgemental statements I've made in the past about various songs that haven't "tripped my trigger", so to speak. Ignorance isn't a bad thing, provided it's cured with education... thanks for educating me, Ed and all that have been involved in this, even if that education was in a roundabout way (pun intended)......

Anyways, a hearty CONGRATS to all of you.. this sounds great!

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Postby jackalz » Tue Feb 04, 2003 12:19 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
<b>IngnoZac wrote:</b>hey, what do you mean 'ALMOST'? <img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle>
Renato<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>I was talking about your parts<img src=pix/icon_smile_zzwhip.gif border=0 align=middle>, but don't take it personally.<img src=pix/silly.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/salook.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby HAMMAR » Tue Feb 04, 2003 7:25 pm

Fantastic, well done you all!! and special thanks to Ed ofcourse!!
ST has become one of my favorite songs. Especially since I've heard it live in the Yes symphonic tour in Amsterdam 2001. And its on the Yes symphonic tour DVD, wich was recorded there, as well.
The big fan Jon refers to as the one who persuaded him to play ST, was me actually ;-))

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Postby N2yes » Mon Feb 10, 2003 11:18 am

<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'>This is really fine stuff here folks. You are all to be commended for your efforts. Though I haven't participated, hopefully you folks will accept this simple observation as constructive criticism. There is an obvious drag in the movement beginning with "Speak to me of summer"---1st time around. I think it's one of the guitars. Of course, you guys can all tell me to go to hell and I'll take that and run with it. Consider this just one man's perspective.</font id='Papyrus'></font id=red><img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

<hr>"It's the spirit of emotion dancing to the wind"
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Postby psychopomp95 » Mon Feb 10, 2003 6:23 pm

Ed, did you ever add the rest of my guitar (as per the original post)? I only ask because I haven't downloaded the MP3 yet - 12 MB is a LONG time when you're on dialup! <img src=pix/silly.gif border=0 align=middle>
Looking forward to listening to it! <img src=pix/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby Ed Schaum » Tue Feb 11, 2003 5:24 am

Nope, haven't done any work on it this week. I got busy with a few things, I should be able to get back to it next weekend.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
<b>psychopomp95 wrote:</b>

Ed, did you ever add the rest of my guitar (as per the original post)? I only ask because I haven't downloaded the MP3 yet - 12 MB is a LONG time when you're on dialup! <img src=pix/silly.gif border=0 align=middle>
Looking forward to listening to it! <img src=pix/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby Squire*Fan725 » Fri Feb 14, 2003 3:02 am

<font face='Tempus Sans ITC'><font size=4><font color=blue><b>I finally got to hear it on a friend's cable modem, and it <u>ROCKS</u>!<img src=pix/icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>

Excellent work, guys! Very well done!

So what's the next song gonna be??<img src=pix/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle></b></font id=blue></font id=size4></font id='Tempus Sans ITC'>
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Postby IngnoZac » Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:17 am

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote><b>N2yes wrote:</b>
<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'>Of course, you guys can all tell me to go to hell and I'll take that and run with it.</font id='Papyrus'></font id=red><hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

That's it, Entoo, you're right. GO TO HELL! <img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle>

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<hr><i>If you read this line, remember not the hand that wrote it
Remember only the verse, songmaker`s cry, the one without tears
For I`ve given this its strength and it has become my only strength.</i>
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Postby N2yes » Sat Feb 15, 2003 10:51 am

<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'>Damn, it's getting awfully warm in here. And why is everyone suddenly upside-down waist-deep in shit?</font id='Papyrus'></font id=red><img src=pix/silly.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby IngnoZac » Sun Feb 16, 2003 6:42 am

are you hearing the Hell's Bells? <img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle>

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For I`ve given this its strength and it has become my only strength.</i>
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Postby yesman90125 » Wed Feb 19, 2003 7:57 am

I wanna be just like you guys when i grow up
(but i dont wanna grow up)
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Postby IngnoZac » Sat Feb 22, 2003 9:43 am

so that's why you're 90125? born in 1990, Dec 5th? <img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle>

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For I`ve given this its strength and it has become my only strength.</i>
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You people did a wonderful thing.

Postby SOUTHSIDEGUY » Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:14 pm

Ed,

Lovely job at ST! Magical! This rendition is really growing on me. The thing you've done is a magical dream come true.

Why did you choose to us a MIDI file instead of the original studio track as the "mirror"? Was it so everone could controle the mix themselves durring tracking?


Ed, What did you do on it?
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Postby HAMMAR » Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:41 pm

Can I answer this??

We used midi because its easier to record your own part in cubase, you can let the midi play along and record your part at the same time.
You can, ofcourse, take the drumtrack out whitch would be impossible in an audio track.
We had to be very accurate with timing, it all had to fit in the mix and nothing beats the midi there!

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Postby yesman90125 » Mon Mar 07, 2005 3:47 am

IngnoZac wrote:so that's why you're 90125? born in 1990, Dec 5th? Image

Renato



<HR>If you read this line, remember not the hand that wrote it

Remember only the verse, songmaker`s cry, the one without tears
For I`ve given this its strength and it has become my only strength.

may 19th 1967
the 90125 is because yestalk wouldnt let me be just YESMAN
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Postby IngnoZac » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:39 am

Haha just kidding with you YesMan ;)
And it's funny to see that you took 2 long years to reply a silly question hahaha
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Postby SOUTHSIDEGUY » Thu Mar 17, 2005 8:49 pm

it all had to fit in the mix and nothing beats the midi there!

Hammer/Ed,

I have to in a way disagree with ya'll there......I fined that midi files are lacking in "ghost notes" especially with the snare drum. As well, they are transduced from the original source and therefore have "flaws" in many places in the score(tracks) and totaly lack organic feel..If we just used the original studio tracks(bounce to mono) as the source and start with the drums then pass the session to the bass then to the guitar then keys, human voice's.....what we will end up with is a far superior product in the end.

Plus, you menssion useing cubass....if everyone is useing cubass or cakewalk or logic then that means everyone can do a mixdown in the end....not just Ed. Then well all Vote on witch Mix is the best and there we have it......

I believe we should post all trackfiles for all involved to take into consideration.

Also, It should be noted that I've tryed both ways(midi scratch/studiotrack) many many many many times.

Hammer, Thank you for your reply.


HAMMAR wrote:Can I answer this??

We used midi because its easier to record your own part in cubase, you can let the midi play along and record your part at the same time.
You can, ofcourse, take the drumtrack out whitch would be impossible in an audio track.
We had to be very accurate with timing, it all had to fit in the mix and nothing beats the midi there!



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You know what would be great???

Postby SOUTHSIDEGUY » Thu Mar 17, 2005 9:26 pm

If we could possibly get aholed of highquality miditracks that actually sync up with the original stereo 16bit 44.1kH studio cuts.......MmHmm. :spank

That way we could do this both ways....and there'by fit to everyones studio setups.

Hey though, I'm not really opposed to tracking with a sequencer playing the score. Nope, I would do it anyway Ed likes on his projects.....Oh, and your project too for that matter Hammer.
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Postby Klatu » Fri Mar 18, 2005 2:03 am

SOUTHSIDEGUY wrote:If we could possibly get aholed of highquality miditracks that actually sync up with the original stereo 16bit 44.1kH studio cuts.......MmHmm. :spank

That way we could do this both ways....and there'by fit to everyones studio setups.

Hey though, I'm not really opposed to tracking with a sequencer playing the score. Nope, I would do it anyway Ed likes on his projects.....Oh, and your project too for that matter Hammer.


If I have an audio file to work with (AIFF or WAV) and I fit what I'm playhing over it exactly, and send it as a stand alone stereo file,then it should sync up to any original AIFF or WAV I'm sent, right?
I'm not too interested in playing with a MIDI file because, 1. I don't have anything set up to play it and 2. I'd rather play based on real performances that I can hear.
The trouble with going from the original studio track either with midi or even just playing along with the recording is that it negates any possibilities of some VARIETY. I'm all for being true to the original, but if you want an exact clone, what's the point? Why not just listen to the record?
Just my two cents.

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What fun!

Postby jimj1s » Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:28 pm

Just found this and listened in. What a great project, and what a great job you all have done.
Best wishes towards more work - since it's July you must be ready to release the next song, right? <grin>.
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Postby Terry Shea » Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:46 am

jimj1s wrote:Just found this and listened in. What a great project, and what a great job you all have done.
Best wishes towards more work - since it's July you must be ready to release the next song, right? <grin>.
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Klatu and I are working on And You And I but we could use some help.We need drums, bass and steel guitar. It's been almost impossible to get anything rolling. A few of us have been trying to get the next song rolling for two and a half years now!
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Postby kirk » Tue Aug 16, 2005 1:43 am

terry- long time no see! are you still posting music to the OMDs?

we bailed when we started getting plays on the PRRN stations,
the gagliarchives, the Rradionetwork.
i see the station mgrs. as that vetting system we discussed
back when at 1sound.

if you haven't heard, i'm no longer solo.
the current lineup consists of a bunch of guys i'm sure you remember,
steve hall of the questionnaires on guitars, von babasin de ONOFFON
on bass, and recently we added joel kelly on vocs.
if you get a chance, check out the 1st full band tune "majiker".
it's as close to classic prog as you'll find in OMD land IMO.

if you guys need a hand w/ keys or production on "and you and I",
give a yell.

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Postby Terry Shea » Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:12 pm

kirk wrote:terry- long time no see! are you still posting music to the OMDs?

we bailed when we started getting plays on the PRRN stations,
the gagliarchives, the Rradionetwork.
i see the station mgrs. as that vetting system we discussed
back when at 1sound.

if you haven't heard, i'm no longer solo.
the current lineup consists of a bunch of guys i'm sure you remember,
steve hall of the questionnaires on guitars, von babasin de ONOFFON
on bass, and recently we added joel kelly on vocs.
if you get a chance, check out the 1st full band tune "majiker".
it's as close to classic prog as you'll find in OMD land IMO.

if you guys need a hand w/ keys or production on "and you and I",
give a yell.

kirk/zenpool

Thanks Kirk. What we really need are drums, bass and a steel guitar player. I'm sure we could use your production talents though since I don't have any. :)
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Re: It's official, we're a REAL band now

Postby resonator57 » Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:26 pm

Great job guys. very nice indeed.
I often cast out a net , searching for like minded musicians in the south east of the UK with a view to playing some of this glorious yes music but alas , the net always returns empty... :(

Loving the grand finale to the song you guys did...yes it rocks...fine job all round :)


resonator57 (lead vocalist , drummer , UK)
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Re: It's official, we're a REAL band now

Postby bobc » Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:07 pm

I just found this site last night and the virtual band is super. I have followed Yes since the late 60's and was in the first band i Washington DC that played a few yes songs. I have been playing drums since I was 13 and would love to participate in the virtual band if possible. Let me know.
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Re: It's official, we're a REAL band now

Postby virginiaprograsser » Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:56 pm

Just checked out the VB's first song - "Starship Trooper". Very nice job, folks! Now, how about some webplay for it on 'Newgrass, Prog & More!' Web Radio & Interviews? Let me know.

Best,

:) Steve S-N

P.S. I love your virtual band ideas, Ed. I have owned and enjoyed the 'Dreamship' CD for years now. SS-N
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