Yestalk theology sppillover #3



Postby poodeeo » Thu Mar 22, 2001 1:43 am

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Now, if you would kindly climb down from your lofty perches and refrain from further analytical dissection at my expense, I for one would appreciate it.
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I see no reason to perceive attack here. I doubt anyone intended it, therefore, let's forgive our brothers for what they did not do. Do that by forgiving our misperceptions.

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Postby poodeeo » Fri Mar 23, 2001 12:11 am

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I am not a body, I am free, just as God created me.
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Poodeeo, let me give you just one more idea to think about ... I too, believe we are free as God created us, but at the same time we have been given Free Will to create - ourselves, our experiences, yes, script our lives as well. This is not always done consciously. We have bodies for a reason - they are part of the play! Reincarnation states that we don physical bodies in many lifetimes to learn the full extent of what it means to be human - and yes, "bad" (note the quotes!) things happen to "good" people,etc. But this is not a true condition. The true condition is that we eventually return to the Source of Unconditional Love and when we return back to the physical world,we try to bring some of that back with us. It is a long, slow process. I hesitated to use the words "good" and "bad" for exactly the reason you implied.
One of our tasks is to eliminate judgment from our experiences - just allow the experiences to happen. Note how the experiences fit into our lives and learn from them. i.e. I get a pink slip at work. I can feel a wide range of emotion from rage to "who cares" and I can decide what action I may take, from going in to work to "do away" with the perpetrator to taking stock of my abilities and moving on. Yes, we are free but we also have many choices in how we want to star in our own Drama! Thank you for letting me go on (ad infinitum!)
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My statement is on two levels. By saying I'm not a body, I am free...means, one one level that my body is an illusion, and while I identify heavily with it, it is not the real Me, Self, etc. So when things appear to happen to it in the world, I can remember that in Truth, I am free, I do have heaven, only to awaken from the dream and realize it. The other level is the dream that I even have a body. Yes, it's part of the "play", but it's a self created play, not God's play. So, I can use my body in any way I choose(free will), but, there are no hierarchy of illusions. IMO, we created our bodies, the entire physical universe as a smoke screen to "hide" as it were from the Source. If God is perfect, whole, and we are too, in reality, why would we need bodies which are soooo limited? So, yes we take on body after body until we(collectively and individually) decide to accept the love of God. Until then, the waking dream goes on and and on...
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Postby jackalz » Sat Mar 31, 2001 10:46 am

This is still good and for you newer-comers that are interested, there's also Spillover #1 and #2 buried in the archives.
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Postby N2yes » Mon Apr 16, 2001 12:06 am

Listening to "Gates of Delirium", and especially "Soon", I found myself again wandering what the single-most underlying attraction to this phenomenal band was. On that singular note, I was unable to come up with a workable response. However, I think maybe that there are two distinct factors that contribute to our appreciation more than others. The first would have to be our respect for the true mastery of their respective instrument...the guys are simply beyond earth in many ways. The second would be, IMHO, how they so easily fuel the fire of the dreamer within us. The surge of power and strength, love, spirituality and peace are all feelings they, more so than any band ever has or could, easily evoke, some simply by hearing Jon's voice. I, admittedly, am a dreamer and I yearn for a higher state of being. YES music brings vivid color to this world of idealism and truth. I am privilidged to visit it everytime I hear them play.<font color=blue></font id=blue><img src=pix/icon_smile_8ball.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby every1is1 » Mon Apr 16, 2001 10:55 am

N2Yes, I'd have to fully agree with you on that one. Phenomenol music and such touchy, heartfelt, powerful lyrics. I'm listnening to AWBH right now and was just noticing how Jon's voice does catch the heart so well.
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Postby N2yes » Tue Apr 17, 2001 8:00 am

There really is no one with a voice quite like Jon's is there? As I type this post, I am compelled to turn on "And You and I" just to hear him sing. Do you suppose he is aware that he has this effect on us?<font color=blue></font id=blue><img src=pix/icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby walkinlight » Thu Apr 19, 2001 1:17 pm

speaking of Jon's voice, is talking Jon's solo stuff aloud (bad pun) on hear (worse pun)?

i see you guys created a third spillover
i guess i was away longer than i thought

but YES, there is nothing like his voice, of course matched with those spiritual lyrics
talking about nature and the Sun and Mother Earth and everlasting love and the life within all of us that can come to fruition if we can just realize ourselves

if you are looking for other stuff you may not have already, there is his colloberations with vangelis and one with kitaro and of course his solo stuff from early years like song of seven and olias
and of later years as well

i am still waiting for his web site

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Postby Seryn » Thu Apr 19, 2001 11:40 pm

<font color=purple>Talking about "being in the present", an example would be: Let's say a friend comes to you for advice, and as you listen, your mind wanders, thinking about that exam you just took(did I fail?), thinking about what your needing to do later in the day, etc. In this example, your not really "there" in the mind sense, and you've missed the "moment". You may be there in form, but not in thought, which is all there is(spirit). That's why, imo, we have to work at and practice letting go of our fears and guilt; they're what blocks us from true reality.

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Yes, this was a part of a far away conversation that I am a little late on getting to, but this is such a landmark i have to announce it...I really agree with this, Poodeeo! Now, I can actually see where you are coming from. When fears and guilt cause us to freak out so much in the present that we miss very important things because our spirit is somewhere in the future it does not need to be...it does indeed get in the way. And that can certainly be bad. While it is important, IMO, to be concerned for the future and not let it catch you by surprise (as much as that is possible), I certainly believe that it is as important to anchor yourself to some degree to the present and not let it slip by. Wow, I'm finally understanding the deep mind of one of our greatest members at Yestalk <img src=pix/icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby jackalz » Fri Apr 20, 2001 1:06 am

Prepare the way, for more of The Course. Welcome, Course. The universe is happy with you, again and again.
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Postby poodeeo » Fri Apr 20, 2001 3:35 am

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Prepare the way, for more of The Course. Welcome, Course. The universe is happy with you, again and again.


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Hard to know how to interpret this. Is it an ego attack? Humor? That's the problem with cybertalk. Well, since our only purpose here is forgiveness, I'll forgive my misperception of this as an ego attack and see my brother as myself.

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Postby Yessong » Fri Apr 20, 2001 3:45 am

You guys have totally lost me....

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Postby jackalz » Fri Apr 20, 2001 6:09 am

Yessong,

Seryn has newly remembered how to be in the present by overcoming guilt and fear, and thanks poodeeo for sticking to his guns about making clear his (and The Course in Miracles) view. So, I, hopefully humorously, prepared our YesTalk members for more of the same. Poodeeo isn't sure from my response if I'm trying to be supportive humorous or sarcastic humorous. So he uses one of the many lessons taught in the Course to deal with either direction his view of my response may have taken.

poodeeo,

I respect all lessons the universe teaches, if it works, and the Course does work for many. Our mild disagreements seem to me to be just about if the Course is absolute truth, which it is and it isn't. Like the lesson about getting past fear and guilt or any other feelings that hold one back from appreciating the now. Sometime you make it sound like we should always deny the existence of the "negative" feelings, in order to be loving in the moment. I think there is probably a majority times when it is good to do so, but often enough I think those feelings are symptoms of important body/mind warnings that shouldn't be swept under the carpet like they don't exist, (which is how I understand your view). Often enough, in written words as well as direct communication, confusion between the communicants happens, and there had been a lot of communication in these Spillover's. I don't remember every nuance about your view, sometimes I've thought we are in total agreement. In any case, I do look forward to hearing/seeing your and other's opinion about how we evolve and learn to be here lovingly now.
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Postby theproffet » Fri Apr 20, 2001 7:02 pm

I have ethical quandries somewhat like those of Victor Frankenstein. In Yestalk theology spillover #1, I may have created a monster that refuses to die. And I sincerely hope that my out of control topic doesn't harm any one after it escaped the laboratory.

Both Frankenstein's monster and Yesstalk theology spillover are 1) Very large, 2) Seemingly unstoppable, and 3) Sewn together haphazardly, from naturally different sources. Yestalk theology spillover is only welcomed in the isolated Bavarian cottages of blind hermits. Please, avoid flame near to Yestalk theology spillover . . .

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Postby jackalz » Sat Apr 21, 2001 1:17 am

theproffett,

I haven't seen any flames here. If you see some, feel free to point them out. I think, if you see flames, you might be seeing illusion of flames, mis-interpretation. I know how easy it is to misread a comment, and sometimes it's mis-typed, too. Haven't you ever gone out of your way to imply no flames in a post, but someone still replies like you are flaming? What can you do? Try again. I like this creation, although I don't view it as Frankensteinian. But it is out of any one's control, except of course his worship, Ed.
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Postby poodeeo » Sat Apr 21, 2001 2:16 am

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Yessong,

Seryn has newly remembered how to be in the present by overcoming guilt and fear, and thanks poodeeo for sticking to his guns about making clear his (and The Course in Miracles) view. So, I, hopefully humorously, prepared our YesTalk members for more of the same. Poodeeo isn't sure from my response if I'm trying to be supportive humorous or sarcastic humorous. So he uses one of the many lessons taught in the Course to deal with either direction his view of my response may have taken.

poodeeo,

I respect all lessons the universe teaches, if it works, and the Course does work for many. Our mild disagreements seem to me to be just about if the Course is absolute truth, which it is and it isn't. Like the lesson about getting past fear and guilt or any other feelings that hold one back from appreciating the now. Sometime you make it sound like we should always deny the existence of the "negative" feelings, in order to be loving in the moment. I think there is probably a majority times when it is good to do so, but often enough I think those feelings are symptoms of important body/mind warnings that shouldn't be swept under the carpet like they don't exist, (which is how I understand your view). Often enough, in written words as well as direct communication, confusion between the communicants happens, and there had been a lot of communication in these Spillover's. I don't remember every nuance about your view, sometimes I've thought we are in total agreement. In any case, I do look forward to hearing/seeing your and other's opinion about how we evolve and learn to be here lovingly now.
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Well, cyber-communication does have it's limitations and thus lends itself easily to miscommunication. But i think I understand your comments & concerns.

Let me just say that the course is also an illusion, like any form, but it's claim is that is does not breed further illusion if one practices it's lesson of forgiveness. It says right at the beginning that "a universal theology is impossible, but a universal experience is not only possible, but necessary." Truth is truth, and all paths contain Truth on some level. The "seeming" problem is the ego.

I have never said to "deny" anything, although that may be ones interpretation. On the contrary, denial is why we're in this world, denial of unity, ultimatley. You definately don't want to deny anything. What the course teaches is that "there is another way" of looking at any situation, and our lesson, whether it's one or 1000 incarnations, is to learn to look with God's eyes, not our egos.
I'm no saint, just an ego like all of us. I will say though, that my experience is that real peace is only possible through foregiveness. And as I've said before, true foregiveness means changing YOUR perception, not a situation or another person. It's a shift in perception, from the ego to the Holy Spirit(if you will. Plug in any name for it you want; it doesn't matter). That's why it's a miracle, and that's all a miracle is; a psychological shift from separateness to unity. That's why the course is so simple and totally consistent. But easy? No way, the ego is suspicious at best, and vicious at worst.

I'm in no way saying any one path is better than another, as there is no hierarchy of illusions. "You cannot establish the curriculum, only the time you take".
IMO, the fuction of time(also an illusion), is learn the lessons of foregiveness.


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Postby Ed Schaum » Wed May 16, 2001 8:02 am

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I have ethical quandries somewhat like those of Victor Frankenstein. In Yestalk theology spillover #1, I may have created a monster that refuses to die. And I sincerely hope that my out of control topic doesn't harm any one after it escaped the laboratory.

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And I hope those same thoughts come to mind 10 years from now when you log on and Yestalk Theology Spillover #49 hits you between the eyes. It should go on forever!
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Postby yesman90125 » Wed May 16, 2001 2:47 pm

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I have ethical quandries somewhat like those of Victor Frankenstein. In Yestalk theology spillover #1, I may have created a monster that refuses to die. And I sincerely hope that my out of control topic doesn't harm any one after it escaped the laboratory.

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And I hope those same thoughts come to mind 10 years from now when you log on and Yestalk Theology Spillover #49 hits you between the eyes. It should go on forever!
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that sounds funny Ed , but I think your right this is a debate you can drop in and out of as often as you want and its doing the same thing it was when you left.
In as much as the topic raises deep questions and deep emotions,I think that folks here have really been suprisingly polite while still conveying their opinions really well.
the subject of life and God and death and heaven and hell touches us all in some way and forces us to look at ourselves and say ok this is what I believe.
even if what you believe is nothing . you have to confront yourself and decide- which ironicly is one of the first steps of faith.

I hope your all still around for #49

hey its almost time for #4
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