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Postby yeskat » Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:08 pm

All I have to say is don't listen to what "everyone" is saying; just go check it out for yourself and THEN draw your own conclusions. There are many negative voices out there; and I've also heard a lot of positive ones. It's too bad that we usually let the negative comments influence our decisions.

It's like YES music. If you listened to all the critics and never gave it a chance, think what you would have missed.
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Postby tardistraveler » Fri Feb 27, 2004 11:24 pm

Well, it doesn't appeal to me - I'll pass on the public executions.

And I agree with Linda - the Bible has been translated and altered and colored with opinion SO much, it's a wonder there's any truth to be found there at all. I think there is, but you have to look for it.
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Postby tribute1969 » Sat Feb 28, 2004 3:56 am

<b><font face=Tahoma><font color=red>Just saw on CNN this morning where a lady from Kansas City had a heart attack and died right in the theater during "one" of the movies most "dramatic" scenes....THEN, the interviewer actually put on the air some of her co-worker friends who were "at peace" with the fact she had died "Where and Doing What She Loved The Most"...getting closer to "Her LORD".....
wonder if Howard Stern will "cover" her funeral or MEL will send flowers......
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Are "warning lables" going to be necessary to go see this???
SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO SAY...WHAT THE F**K!
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Not I. Aside from the fact that the whole Jesus story doesn't interest me, I've heard nothing positive about it. As a matter of fact, the last review I heard for it called it a 2 hour snuff film. I just can't get into 2 straight hours of gore and torture.


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So who is going to see the Passion? I was going to , but than too many fundamentalist types have been saying we "have" to go, it's our duty and now I'm thinking, why? Mel Gibson did the movie, not God, plus I'm beginning to think Mel is a little insane if not alot. Any thoughts???
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Postby Megalodon » Sat Feb 28, 2004 4:03 am

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Besides, if you are going to do a story about Christ, why not emphasize his teachings (note the use of parables rather than literal factiods) rather than the brutality of his death?
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Postby tardistraveler » Sat Feb 28, 2004 4:52 am

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<b>tribute1969 wrote:</b>
<b><font face=Tahoma><font color=red>Just saw on CNN this morning where a lady from Kansas City had a heart attack and died right in the theater during "one" of the movies most "dramatic" scenes....THEN, the interviewer actually put on the air some of her co-worker friends who were "at peace" with the fact she had died "Where and Doing What She Loved The Most"...getting closer to "Her LORD".....
wonder if Howard Stern will "cover" her funeral or MEL will send flowers......
PTL....V'room V'room</font id=red></font id=Tahoma></b>
Are "warning lables" going to be necessary to go see this???
SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO SAY...WHAT THE F**K!

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"Doing what she Loved the Most"? Sitting in a theatre watching some gory scene? Oh yeah, I'm sure she felt really good about that!
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Postby Relayer » Sat Feb 28, 2004 5:04 am

I'll pass on this movie, the book is much better.

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Postby ycantibu » Sat Feb 28, 2004 6:45 am

But movies are so expensive for the poor folk. :D My son & I are gonna go see the new Adam Sandler movie instead.



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All I have to say is don't listen to what "everyone" is saying; just go check it out for yourself and THEN draw your own conclusions. There are many negative voices out there; and I've also heard a lot of positive ones. It's too bad that we usually let the negative comments influence our decisions.

It's like YES music. If you listened to all the critics and never gave it a chance, think what you would have missed.
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Postby YesJo » Sat Feb 28, 2004 6:52 am

I heard that one isn't so great either Y.
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Postby yeskat » Sat Feb 28, 2004 7:01 am

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<b>tardistraveler wrote:</b>
Well, it doesn't appeal to me - I'll pass on the public executions.

And I agree with Linda - the Bible has been translated and altered and colored with opinion SO much, it's a wonder there's any truth to be found there at all. I think there is, but you have to look for it.
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Don't know which Linda you mean, but if you meant me, I didn't say that.<img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

But if I may add something to defend my favorite book...
I hear this so much -- about translations and so forth. However, the King James Version was the first english translation in the 600th century (or close to that). If you take the old KJV and read it next to the newer translations, you will find very little difference. There are some words that had different meanings back then, but the main points remain accurate. Scholars today who know the original languages of the ancient scriptures can tell you that it is surprising how the new translations are so right on. The finding of the Dead Sea scrolls proved this. Many critics over the years have tried to prove the Bible wrong, only to find out THEY were wrong. The Bible as we have it today is very accurate, and has never been proven to be historically inaccurate. Many prophecies of the Old Testament proved accurate of Christ's birth, life and death over 400 years prior to the events.

Where people go wrong is when they try to bend the meanings of certain scriptures to mean what THEY want it to mean. This can be done with any book besides the Bible. But if one just uses their common sense (something that seems to be sadly lacking nowadays) they can easily find the discrepancies.
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Postby Megalodon » Sat Feb 28, 2004 9:14 am

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<b>yeskat wrote:</b>
Many critics over the years have tried to prove the Bible wrong, only to find out THEY were wrong. The Bible as we have it today is very accurate, and has never been proven to be historically inaccurate. Many prophecies of the Old Testament proved accurate of Christ's birth, life and death over 400 years prior to the events.

Where people go wrong is when they try to bend the meanings of certain scriptures to mean what THEY want it to mean. This can be done with any book besides the Bible. But if one just uses their common sense (something that seems to be sadly lacking nowadays) they can easily find the discrepancies.
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Thank you Yeskat, you are right on the money!<img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
The Bible has also survived the test of time. There have been
countless efforts from opposition to try and stop the Bible
from being translated to our generation. Those efforts have
failed miserably. The Bible is now the worlds #1 best seller
and has been distributed in most languages world wide.
To me, this proves it has had divine backing to survive such
fierce opposition that no other book has endured. God made sure
it survived to our day so we could benefit from it. Since it
does have Divine backing, I'm sure God would not have allowed
mistakes in the translations that alter his wonderful message
of hope for mankind.
Many people just simply do NOT WANT TO BELIEVE in the Bible,
they will stop at no end to try to say it is wrong.
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Postby BE » Sat Feb 28, 2004 9:15 am

Yeskat,
Excellent post and explanation!
Most people who claim the Bible has been changed have never read or studied Gods owners manual.He even warns that "know one is to change my word,not one word"...Over 2,000 biblical items have been found or been proven true:people,
places,events,prophecies,wars,rulers, kings,kingdoms,articles,etc..Not one thing has ever been proven inaccurate!

Also Yeskat,nice comparision and to tie in the YesThread!...The Bible,YesMusic,The Passion movie and almost everything in this world and in life...Everyone should check it out for themselves before they pass judgement or express their opinion!...Amen
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Postby tardistraveler » Sat Feb 28, 2004 11:57 am

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Don't know which Linda you mean, but if you meant me, I didn't say that.<img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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I meant Linda/yesireebob, who posted on the previous page.
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Postby Roan's Lady » Sat Feb 28, 2004 12:47 pm

The exploitative nature of this movie and the hype and sensationalism it has created is nauseating! American enterprise at its most irritating. Further, it has obviously created and no doubt will create even further dissension between religious groups. Bravo, Mel - just what we need. As to the question of why the focus of the movie can't be the teachings of Christ, rather than his death - well, there's little money in "teachings", you see...
I haven't seen nor do I have any interest in seeing this movie. The best thing it has done for me so far is inspired Nolan to post a picture of himself squatting - and looking pretty good doing so. <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
Now where were we...
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Postby ycantibu » Sat Feb 28, 2004 1:32 pm

I've heard good reviews so far, but I figure at the very least I'll laugh. :-D


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I heard that one isn't so great either Y.
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Postby yesireebob » Sat Feb 28, 2004 3:43 pm

History time. As a matter of fact, the King James Version was first published in 1611. Named after King James I of England aka James VI of Scotland, who united the British and Scottish thrones. His mother, Mary, Queen of Scots, was raised in France as a Catholic. This was during the reformation, when Catholics and Protestants were busy slaughtering each other. The Pope actually issued a bull for the murder of Elizabeth I; the Pope, France and Spain very much wanted England under a Catholic ruler. So did the Catholics in England. (Henry VIII made England protestant when the Pope would not let him divorce his wife, but that is another story.) Thus, during her 19 years of captivity in England, Mary was the locus of numerous plots to overthrow Elizabeth I and replace her with Mary (who had a claim to succession to the English throne) so that England and Scotland would once more be Catholic. This is why she was ultimately beheaded. And let's not forget she lost the Scottish crown to James because the protestant lords succeeded in ruining her by accusing her of killing her husband, Lord Darnley. (In fact, the protestant lords were behind the murder of Darnley, but that's another story, too.) The protestant lords replaced Mary with James, an infant, and a protestant Regent ruled Scotland during James's minority. James was brought up a protestant. Mary herself pragmatically tried to walk the tightrope of religious tolerance; while Queen of Scotland, she remained a practising Catholic but did not insist that the country revert to Catholicism. She debated with John Knox while also trying to appease the Pope with promises to eventually lead the country back to Catholicism. She actually lead an amazing but tragic life, replete with daring escapes from castles. But she lost her crown, her son, and ultimately her head, for many reasons, but largely because she was caught in the cross-currents of the reformation and all the politics that went along with it. You know, religion, politics, the usual power struggles. In the end, under James I, England and Scotland remained protestant. Early in his reign, King James commissioned a new translation of the Bible that would replace all other versions. For an article about the people and process involved in the translation, see: http://www.av1611.org/kjv/kjvhist.html.
The translators expressed that they were "poor instruments to make GOD'S holy Truth to be yet more and more known" while at the same time recognizing that "Popish persons" sought to keep the people "in ignorance and darkness."
As impressive as this effort was and remains, this was nonetheless long before more recent biblical discoveries such as the dead sea scrolls. Not to mention scads of new archeological information and the technology to discern it. And it was still 16 centuries further removed from the events recounted in the gospels than were the first versions of the gospels.
So the point of this long rambling venture down history lane?
First, the King James version is not that old, and it, too, was compiled by people living in a particular time, place, and political context. Second, politics has always shaped religion and religious doctrine. The church has always been, and still is, a powerful political institution. Unless you happen to be Moses, the word of God is always filtered through the words and the politics of man.
Third, the message that people should love one another always seems to get lost in the bloodshed over the "truth."
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Postby Purple Moon » Sun Feb 29, 2004 4:07 am

OK 69 you brought me over here and here I am. I recognize a lot of you.....hello all, it's me...your purple YESFAN.

About the heart attack: I'm sure the woman was going to go whether she was in the theatre or a car or her bed. When it's time to go, it's time to go.

On the movie: Taken from the four gospels and two books, I think Gibson wanted to get as close to the event as he could. Crucification is not a pretty thing, neither were his last 12 days.
If you think the subject matter would disturb you, don't go. It's like the remote.

On the critics: I have long thought that anything with a religious connotation to it that is served to the public will get slammed. It's a given. I expect it. Clinton can get knee service and is reprimanded but take a televangelist and it darn near brings down the whole CBN for months on end. They are public figures, not saints. Getting caught is just the karma police at work. In all fairness, the best review I have read thus far is Roger Ebert of the Chicago Sun Times. His review is lengthy and detailed and he sites other critical comments from his peers whom he sites with respect. Worth the read.
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Postby YesJo » Sun Feb 29, 2004 7:18 am

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<b>Megalodon wrote:</b>
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God made sure
it survived to our day so we could benefit from it. Since it
does have Divine backing, I'm sure God would not have allowed
mistakes in the translations that alter his wonderful message
of hope for mankind.
Many people just simply do NOT WANT TO BELIEVE in the Bible,
they will stop at no end to try to say it is wrong.
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How does anyone know that the bible has "divine backing" and I don't believe in the bible, I believe in the god and the man that are in the bible, the bible is a book, it's not god.
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Postby Megalodon » Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:04 am

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How does anyone know that the bible has "divine backing" and I don't believe in the bible, I believe in the god and the man that are in the bible, the bible is a book, it's not god.
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The Bible claims all scripture inspired by God (2 Timothy 3: 16-17)
and is beneficial to all mankind. God used man to have the Bible
written, kind of like a Boss would have his secretary write an
important letter. The Boss would tell her what to say. God did
the same thing and inspired the Bible writers what to write.
I also never said that the Bible is God, it is a precious gift
from God to us. Sadley, it collects dust on most shelves in the
avereage home.
Also Jodie, It's great to know you do believe in God <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>. So if
you believe in God, Why can't you believe he had a book written to
benefit mankind, telling his requirements and laws, and how to make
our paths straight. A loving God would do just so!!
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Postby tardistraveler » Sun Feb 29, 2004 11:22 am

Hi Purple Moon - I can guess WHO you are! Welcome to YesTalk. Like you, I frequent both sites, as you are aware, and they both have their charm, and really cool people. Hope you come visit again and post a lot - I know how prolific you can be!
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Postby YesJo » Wed Mar 03, 2004 1:28 am

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<b>Megalodon wrote:</b>
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<b>YesJo wrote:</b>



How does anyone know that the bible has "divine backing" and I don't believe in the bible, I believe in the god and the man that are in the bible, the bible is a book, it's not god.
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The Bible claims all scripture inspired by God (2 Timothy 3: 16-17)
and is beneficial to all mankind. God used man to have the Bible
written, kind of like a Boss would have his secretary write an
important letter. The Boss would tell her what to say. God did
the same thing and inspired the Bible writers what to write.
I also never said that the Bible is God, it is a precious gift
from God to us. Sadley, it collects dust on most shelves in the
avereage home.
Also Jodie, It's great to know you do believe in God <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>. So if
you believe in God, Why can't you believe he had a book written to
benefit mankind, telling his requirements and laws, and how to make
our paths straight. A loving God would do just so!!
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I think the book is great, I think most of the stories are great and I love the new testament, how would we know about Jesus, if not for the New testament. I just don't agree with taking the entire book literally. How can you explain the love of Christ and and his teachings, and than go back to Leviticus and Deutironamy (bad spell) and preach judging people? It's not the book I have the problem with, it's the fundamentists who twist it and shape it for their own twisted brand of christianity. I don't like them telling me the way to salvation is "their" way, when I see them as ignorant, narrow minded, hateful, and about as unchristlike as you can get. I don't agree with the literal truth of the bible no matter what. Man wrote the book, much of it inspired by faith in god, but it was still man who wrote it down. Man will always let you down, they will change things and write according to their views, even if they don't realize or know they are doing it. I think we need to take the bible with some grains of salt, because it is written by man. (Not women either, just man.)

My faith isn't based on biblical fact, I don't even need the facts to have my faith, I'm not afraid of the bible not being true, I feel the living Christ in my life and in my heart, it doesn't threaten me to know that he might not have said every single thing that is written, or that we don't have everything he said down. And I don't feel the need to go back to the old testament and follow those awful rules.I also don't feel the need (it disgusts me actually) to go around telling people or thinking of people, "they're going to heaven, they're not, they're wrong, they're right" I was told to love them all, so that's what I think we should try to do. I also find it repulsive when people want to "save" people. Noone can save anyone else, God does, and I think the best way to show our faith is to live it, not preach it, also, it's useless to constantly point to bible scriptures to try to persuade people to come to christ. If they don't believe the bible is true, why would they care what's in it?

I've studied the bible all my life, I can contradict any quote someone throws at me, not because I hate the bible, but because it's flawed, I'm sorry, it is, because humans are flawed. It's a great base but it's not everything. You can use it to back any belief you want to. I think people who believe it word for word need concrete proof of their faith. I happen to not need proof.
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Postby tardistraveler » Fri Mar 05, 2004 1:15 am

And for the latest in "horrific-torture-themed" jewelry . . .

<font color=red><b>Yes, you too can have the "Official Merchandise of the Passion of the Christ"!

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For only $12.99 you have have this "lovely" nail pendant hanging around your neck! Supply is limited, so order NOW!</font id=red></b>


I received this advertisement in my e-mail! First, I don't understand why anyone would want this, and second, I think it's a really tacky way to capitalize on the movie - "official" merchandise indeed!
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Postby guilddigger » Fri Mar 05, 2004 1:44 am

<font face='Comic Sans MS'>there it is. the 'gold stainless nail'.</font id='Comic Sans MS'>

<hr>stay awaken
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Postby tribute1969 » Fri Mar 05, 2004 3:56 am

<b><font face=Tahoma><font color=red>LET US PRAY....

That none of these fall off of the necks of any of the
NASCARNATION fans onto the track and cause a blowout
on the PASSION Race Car....
The "Utimate" Irony????</font id=red></font id=Tahoma></b>
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Postby stevehoweistheMAN » Fri Mar 05, 2004 4:10 am

Like I've said many times, I'm a messianic Jew. Point being, I read and understand hebrew (some aramaic). There's very little difference with the translations and the original text. The only things that have been altered are words that don't have an english transation, so they just substitute the word with ones that readers can comprehend.


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Well, it doesn't appeal to me - I'll pass on the public executions.

And I agree with Linda - the Bible has been translated and altered and colored with opinion SO much, it's a wonder there's any truth to be found there at all. I think there is, but you have to look for it.
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Don't know which Linda you mean, but if you meant me, I didn't say that.<img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

But if I may add something to defend my favorite book...
I hear this so much -- about translations and so forth. However, the King James Version was the first english translation in the 600th century (or close to that). If you take the old KJV and read it next to the newer translations, you will find very little difference. There are some words that had different meanings back then, but the main points remain accurate. Scholars today who know the original languages of the ancient scriptures can tell you that it is surprising how the new translations are so right on. The finding of the Dead Sea scrolls proved this. Many critics over the years have tried to prove the Bible wrong, only to find out THEY were wrong. The Bible as we have it today is very accurate, and has never been proven to be historically inaccurate. Many prophecies of the Old Testament proved accurate of Christ's birth, life and death over 400 years prior to the events.

Where people go wrong is when they try to bend the meanings of certain scriptures to mean what THEY want it to mean. This can be done with any book besides the Bible. But if one just uses their common sense (something that seems to be sadly lacking nowadays) they can easily find the discrepancies.
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Postby stevehoweistheMAN » Fri Mar 05, 2004 4:14 am

Even with my beliefs, this is unexcusable. Sometimes, people are just WRONG.

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<b>tardistraveler wrote:</b>
And for the latest in "horrific-torture-themed" jewelry . . .

<font color=red><b>Yes, you too can have the "Official Merchandise of the Passion of the Christ"!

<img src="http://hometown.aol.com/dctardistraveler/images/nail.jpg" border=0>

For only $12.99 you have have this "lovely" nail pendant hanging around your neck! Supply is limited, so order NOW!</font id=red></b>


I received this advertisement in my e-mail! First, I don't understand why anyone would want this, and second, I think it's a really tacky way to capitalize on the movie - "official" merchandise indeed!

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<hr>And if that firelight, I could match the inner flame; sacred ships do sail the seventh age, and have always been here.
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Postby stevehoweistheMAN » Fri Mar 05, 2004 4:19 am

The truth is Jews and Christians are watching two different films. Jews are watching themselves kill a man for two hours (this is how they percieve it) and Chirstians are watching their Lord get killed for two hours.

And Mel Gibson isn't the one creating tension between the two groups, it's the two groups doing it to themselves. Moreover, the jews are doing it, mostly. And I'm jewish so you can't call me a racist.

The point of passion plays WAY back when they started was to focus on the same events as the movie, so they're not going to focus on the other aspects of his life.

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<b>Roans Lady wrote:</b>
The exploitative nature of this movie and the hype and sensationalism it has created is nauseating! American enterprise at its most irritating. Further, it has obviously created and no doubt will create even further dissension between religious groups. Bravo, Mel - just what we need. As to the question of why the focus of the movie can't be the teachings of Christ, rather than his death - well, there's little money in "teachings", you see...
I haven't seen nor do I have any interest in seeing this movie. The best thing it has done for me so far is inspired Nolan to post a picture of himself squatting - and looking pretty good doing so. <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
Now where were we...



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Postby tribute1969 » Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:15 am

<b><font face=Tahoma><font color=red>A "book" that made it's way to my house
this week......
Also the "nickname" for my music/rec room...
aka The Crimson Room...
<img src="http://home.earthlink.net/~dacltgki43d3/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/den.jpg" border=0>
Just a place for me and my "friends" to hang out.....
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Postby tardistraveler » Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:36 am

So, Tribute, will we find the "truth" if we enter your "Den of Infidels"? <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby tribute1969 » Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:29 am

<b><font face=Tahoma><font color=red>"THE PASSION II"
THE BIRTH OF JC...
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Postby tardistraveler » Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:33 am

Good one, Tribute!

I want to know about the "missing years" of the Christ? If he's so important, why don't we know much about him between his birth and death?

I wonder if that information was suppressed because it didn't jive with someone's thoughts about what Jesus represents?
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