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Postby Tomfoolery » Sat Apr 14, 2001 12:41 am

P.S. REALLY cool to sit back watching the fish and listening to Tales or CTTE or The Ladder... what a peaceful way to relax.
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Postby EricBliss12345 » Sun Apr 15, 2001 2:39 pm

I also forgot to mention my love for pussy.

Yes, I have a cat too, her name's Kitty and I've had her for 8 years now. She's quite the hunter, and always brings me dead animals to show her appreciation for me. I actually find it flattering and dont discourage her, she's an outside cat, I dont like the spoiled rotten indoor type much. The vet said he wouldnt be surprised if she never died, that's how gooda shape she's in.

I also forgot to mention that I love snakes. I had two pythons but they have since gone to snake heaven (bless your souls Buddy and Ariana!!)

A funny story about the snakes--when I lived in my old apartment i didnt have anywhere to bury them so I kept them in the freezer for a little bit. A month later I moved out, and as I was cleaning out my place I somehow managed to forget about poor, frozen snakes in my freezer (You must keep in mind I was poor and never had food in there anyway, so I usually wasnt in my fridge!)

My landlord went in there to make sure I cleaned everything out alright, and as he was checking everything out, he opened the fridge and "Boo!!" there were my snakes chillin' in there. Boy did he freak out on me on the phone! He was scared shitless!

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Postby yeskat » Mon Apr 16, 2001 9:06 am

I once had a friend who had two python snakes. One day he told us that someone left their back door open and hours later he discovered that one snake had disappeared. They looked all over the back yard for it, then gave up. A couple days later I turned on the t.v. and saw on the news that a huge python had been caught in someone's back yard, but not until AFTER it had consumed one of their prize rabbits! Animal Control confiscated the python, and our friend had to shell out a couple hundred dollars to get the snake back. Just thought this little tale might amuse you...
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Postby N2yes » Mon Apr 16, 2001 9:39 am

I guess I failed to mention that I have an avid interest in the "big snakes",especially reticulated and burmese pythons. Yeskat, I'd have one in my possession now if the wife wasn't afraid of being supper for one. Hey, talk about going out to eat...sheesh! They really do make quite the conversation piece!<font color=blue></font id=blue><img src=pix/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby Yessong » Tue Apr 17, 2001 2:28 am

Well I guess I should chime in here. Though, as I mentioned I have a German Shephard (Wolfgang)I have always been a big cat person but I'm allergic to them...so...no dice. I, too, have been a snake lover - I had a garter Snake and a 61/2 foot long python for a while. Great animals especially if you need a pet that won't care if you are not around to feed 'em.
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Postby Squire*Fan725 » Tue Apr 17, 2001 3:00 am

<font size=3><font color=blue>I also owned snakes, before my son was born. We (my hubby & I) had 3 of them. A Ball Python (Moe), A Green Patternless Burmese Python (Goldie), and a Central American Red-tailed Boa Constrictor (Finch). The pythons were John's, but the boa was mine. We got them when they were very small, so there was no worrying about becoming snake dinner, although Goldie grew to be at least 7 or 8 feet, before we had to give all our snakes away. It was getting too expensive to feed them, plus I had my son, who took up most of my time, leaving me little or no time with the snakes. And I eventually learned a painfull lesson that they needed to be handled everyday, as well as fed, or else they'll think that your hand reaching in to get them IS dinner! lol
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Postby N2yes » Tue Apr 17, 2001 7:45 am

At the very least, I will have to get another Burmese soon. New house..plenty of room...gotta do it!!!<font color=blue></font id=blue><img src=pix/icon_smokin.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby yeskat » Tue Apr 17, 2001 8:20 am

Forgot to mention, we have a handsome collared lizard our cats like to sit and watch. Don't know which they want the most; the lizard, or the crikets we put in there to feed him!
I wouldn't mind a snake, but I'm afraid they would eventually have one of our cats for lunch. Also, as a python grows, you need more room for them. Our friend used to put his snakes in the bathtub to feed them mice and rats. Once he asked my husband to watch this gruesome display. He said, "watch this; pretty soon he'll come after us, cause he will think we are dinner." My husband laughed since he didn't believe him. All of a sudden the snake came flying out of the tub at them, and the two guys couldn't get out of the bathroom door fast enough and wedged one another into the door!
Also, our friend used to SLEEP with his snakes! The snakes would crawl up under the covers at night to warm themselves. I don't think I could handle that! Wouldn't they be kinda cold?
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Postby N2yes » Tue Apr 17, 2001 9:59 am

Oh, they will definitely come after you when they get big enough. You figure if in the wild these things put away orangutans, moderate size crocs, and other assorted "game", humans aren't too formidable looking in size or stature. The trick is, like you said, supply plenty of attention( handling) frequently. Otherwise, when they reach 18 ft. or more, you could be lunch if you're not careful. Though their size can be intimidating, don't be. This will lessen your fear of them though you should never be in a "giant's" company by yourself. Yeskat, you and I should talk more on this subject. Time for an e-mail swap I believe.<font color=red></font id=red><img src=pix/icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby yeskat » Thu Apr 19, 2001 2:18 pm

N2yes, I would love to "swap some e-mail"!
This is so interesting. So many people, so many backgrounds, all having something in common!
Since others have "come out of the closet", I guess I can now: Get ready -- I am what some would consider a "religious right-wing conservative". Now before some of you write me off as a hateful, gay-bashing, racist bigot, or whatever else you may portray a "conservative" to be, let me set you straight. Eric, just as you have stated about some gays, there ARE a few stereo-typical right-wing conservatives who ARE just that. But don't judge us all as being so. I have many friends who are "left-wing liberals", and friends who are gay or bi, and friends of different races. I sometimes listen to Rush Limbaugh, yet I don't always agree with him(in fact I sometimes get downright angry with him). Any of my "liberal" friends would tell you that I do have strong opinions and I will voice them at times, just as anyone else, but I don't try to force my beliefs on others. I have a healthy interest in politics, yet I respect the opinions and beliefs of others who don't agree with me. At times, I love a friendly debate because I always learn something new. I am always curious and willing to listen to what others believe, and sometimes find that I may even agree with "the other side". One thing I have found is that most Americans want the same outcome for this country, but only disagree with the course to take to get there.

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Postby EricBliss12345 » Fri Apr 20, 2001 4:27 am

Oh thats cool Yeskat! Everybody's entitled to their own beliefs. If you consider gayness a sin that's the way you feel and cant help it. I'm not religious, but I'm glad that even though you are religious you can go with the "hate the sin not the sinner policy" and not try to force anything down anybody's throat.

I am not opposed to religion in the least, it helps some people with life and that's great. I'm openminded to what could be out there, but it's so difficult for me to believe everything I was told growing up, it seems like there were so many different storys about evolution and all that that it makes it hard to belive what really happened. i wasnt alive back then, so I dont know. I think that anything is very possible, and I do try to have some morals and be a good person. As far as the gay thing, I cant help it and dont understand why I should try to be something I'm not. The worlds too beutiful NOT to have some kind of higher power, so I do go with the fact that its very possible that there is a divine being watching over us. But I figure if he created all humans, and we're all his children, why would he have a problem with me being the way I am? He made me this way, you would think that he would love me unconditionally, right? I know I know, a lot of religious people say you CAN help it, you werent born this way, the devil is trying to trick you....blah blah blah. I cant help how I feel and dont see why I should supress it. So many times when gays try to "convert" it just doesnt work and leads them to suicide, drug abuse, etc. becuase they feel so unacceptable to their God. That is so sad, and I dont understand why God would want his kids to go through so much misery.

Some religious people also say its a test that you need to overcome in life to prove your worthiness and strength to God. Its a test enough just to try to get trough normal life!! I mean I dont have it as hard as most gays do, but I really can't date, and there arent really many who are worth dating. That gay stereotype is there for a reason. For the most part its very VERY true! Its hard to find normal gay guys to hang out with or be friends with, all they care about is shopping and sex. Blah.
Plus there's HIV to worry about, public ridicule in some area, and the worry that your adopted children are going to have a tough time. So there's lots of stress on it, some religious people say "Why would you want to be this way?? You CAN change it!" Nobody wanted to be this way! It sucks! And its not changeable either.

Anyways I normally dont like to talk about this all that much cuz it makes me feel like I'm shoving stuff down people's throats, but I cant help but feel kind of strongly about the whole gay/religion thing. Nothing personnaly against you in the least yeskat! You seem like a really cool person, and your views dont seem near as extreme as many right-wingers (the picket signs that say GOD HATES FAGS come to mind, I couldnt see you being like that)

Anyways when i was gonna reply I was gonna talk about snakes again! How the hell did I get on this rambling Topographic Oceans-style tangent??? LOL Anyways I'll post back later. peace to ya, Yeskat.
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Postby yeskat » Fri Apr 20, 2001 2:29 pm

Eric,
I wish I had all the answers to your questions, as well as my own! One BIG question I have is; why so many mysteries?? First of all, God does not hate gays! Also, the good book tells us that anyone who says they love God, but has hate in their heart is not OF God. It also tells us that ANYONE is subject to fall into any sin, so the proud Christian that walks around with his nose up in the air saying "I would NEVER do THAT" is fooling himself. I'm afraid I've been guilty of that, and guess what; it won't be long before I'm faced with the same temptation, if not something seemingly more serious. So who am I to wag my finger at anyone, putting them down? God's book has much to say about all this. It's true, He has given us guidelines to live by; but they are there to protect us from various kinds of harm -- mental, emotional, as well as physical. There are always going to be those religious people who act as if they have it all together, who know it all, who are too good for anyone who doesn't think exactly as they do. But remember this; they live by FEAR, not faith. What they fear could be a hundred various things, for a hundred various reasons. It's been that way since the beginning of time. It wasn't unbelieving "sinners" that Christ came down on all the time! It was the proud religious leaders and hypocrites, who wanted nothing more than force their oppressive rules, regulations, and meaningless rituals on people.
Anyway, I don't look down on gays AT ALL. I have some gay friends, and I sympathize with their challenges and situations. This is not a very friendly, understanding world for you guys, even though it seems to have improved in some ways.
As for evolution and creationism, there are some excellent books on the issue; and I wish everyone would give the creation side a good study before coming to a decision on which to believe. I KNOW they would be very surprised at what they might find. There is a Christian physicist/scientist named Chuck Misler who has many excellent, fascinating writings and lectures on this subject, as well as others. I would challenge anyone who is interested in this subject to search out some of his studies!
This goes for anything you may be curious about. I have found that I don't have to believe something just because that was what I was raised to believe, and TOLD to believe. Seek... and keep seeking! If you believe something, find out WHY you believe it. Do you really believe, or are you just blindly following along? I have had to come face to face with this.
Finally, to end my sermon; I must say that Yes has so much to say about the mysteries of God, the search for truth, life, love, unity, understanding one another. They have actually been an influence on my beliefs in many ways. Even though I may not agree with all their religious views, there is a lot I can appreciate and agree with! I find their lyrics challenging and encouraging.
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Postby fragilesi » Fri Apr 20, 2001 3:23 pm

Wow! This isn't quite what I thought I'd find on Yestalk but it's fascinating nonetheless. I've looked at a lot of churches in my time but have (regrettably) never found a faith that I can put mine into. I have a very simple philosophy along the lines of everyone I meet or interact with is a good person until they prove otherwise. And they have to go a long way to prove that because everyone does bad things or things that taken in isolation would give a totally different view of their character to the "true" one - good or bad I guess!

I love Jon's lyrics though I wouldn't say that I base much of my life around them at all. The line that always hit me squarer than any other though is "Loneliness is a power we possess to give or take away forever". I have my prejudices, admitting that is the first step to beating them. But when I see people forming the battle lines and going after one group or another whether it be hetrosexuals against gays, whites against asians, asians against whites etc etc I'm convinced that if there is an "evil" this is it. So, it's kind of cool to see so many people of different beliefs coming together like this and finding some common ground.

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Postby EricBliss12345 » Fri Apr 20, 2001 4:10 pm

See Simon thats the same way I am. I guess its more out of ignorance more than not finding the right religion. But why should there be more religions? If there's only one right one, then a lot of them have to be wrong, right? Thats another thing with me-only one thing couldve really happened, but nobody knows for sure. Thats why I have a hard time with it. I think about it a lot, and I find it hard to doubt that there is a God, just what really took place back in the day.

And you are so right Yeskat. I always thought that religios people are more religious out of fear. Im sure God doesnt want people to be scared of him! If he's so great than whats there to be afraid of, ya know!?!? Im sure he doesnt want people living in fear of him the way some are.

Yeah Simon this is wierd for a Yeschat thingy but I think its great! If we converse here every day, even though its on the net, why NOT get to know each other? This sure beats the hell out of the Yeshoo! forum! Have you seen it there lately? Its a zoo! I hate that board anymore.
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Postby theproffet » Fri Apr 20, 2001 4:26 pm

I'm still lovin' this topic, but find it hard to know where to reply first . . .

Hmm, I could inform Yeskat that I'm probably your poitical polar opposite. Tree-hugging, tax-hiking, and for a hetrosexual guy, something of a radical feminist. I'm usually a secular humanist, when I'm not a Pagan witch. But I have lots of right-wing friends I debate with regularly, and they don't have your taste in cats, wine, or <img src=pix/icon_smile_sleepy.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby massos » Fri Apr 20, 2001 4:45 pm

...I remember a great quote from Eddie Izzard a brilliant off the wall British comic who wears lipstick, womens cloths sometimes, doesn't have much time for right wingers and gay bashers.

He was asked what actually is your sexuality?

He replied.."I'm a lesbian in a man's body"

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Postby fragilesi » Sat Apr 21, 2001 12:27 am

Eric, don't start me on religion - "The Beginning of wisdom is fear of the lord" the good book says but it never caught on with me. I was born into a non-religous family but attended several different christian churches of my own volition never finding any answers. Then I met my wife and was officially converted to Islam and in both cases met some fantastic people. It's given me a rare insight to prejudice, I discovered racism in my friends, I experienced racism from asians towards me, at times it seems to be everywhere! In the end I don't think that you need a faith to know right from wrong but what's unfortunate is that religion is often twisted and used as the excuse to exercise blind prejudice.

As for Yeshoo, I'm not exactly a regular there . . . I just took a look again and think I'll stay here if that's okay with everyone.

Perhaps that's enough revealing about me for one day but I'd like to add that I've had plenty of gay friends and I've actually had the distinction of having had a girlfriend leave me for a girlfriend of her own! I must admit I've never quite worked out how I should feel about that . . .

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Postby EricBliss12345 » Sat Apr 21, 2001 4:01 am

Wow Simon the same damn thing happened to me! I was living with my dude for 8 months, and he went off with some chick! They ended up getting engaged too! And to top it off she had a kid, wierd wierd situation!

We had many talks about this, we ended up being better friends than boyfriends in the end. He said how in love he was and whatnot, and I said "But Josh, Youre GAY!!"

Funnily enough, three weeks later the engagement was off. I was like "What happened?"

"Well, just too much pressure, knowing I would have a baby to take care of and other stuff too."

"Like?"

"Well, uh...I'm gay."

I thought it was some funny shit! I mean I felt bad and all, but I always thought that whole thing was a joke. So Simon I know how ya feel man!
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Postby EricBliss12345 » Sat Apr 21, 2001 4:05 am

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Postby EricBliss12345 » Sat Apr 21, 2001 4:07 am

oh wow. Those smileys werent meant for this topic. Sorry for stretching the board out like this. Hey Ed anyway you can delete a post? Thanks.
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Postby yeskat » Sat Apr 21, 2001 1:57 pm

"Fear of God" was the old King James version which would mean "Respect for God" today. If a child has a parent he is close to, and really looks up to, and relies on, then this is a healthy relationship. But if that kid is doing something dangerous and stupid, then he would fear whatever discipline or consequence may come his way from that parent. That is what the word "fear" means.

As for Yeshoo -- I wander over there to take a look at times, but rarely find much to say anymore! People are a lot more civil here! The word "Zoo" fits it perfectly! Hah! I wonder if they are ever going to change their forum? <img src=pix/icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby yeskat » Sat Apr 21, 2001 2:11 pm

proffet,
I have some friends very much like you. They all have never had kids. For some odd reason having children seems to conservatize some people! Wonder why that is? I was a bit more liberal until I became a parent. I guess being a parent caused me to see the world pretty much the same way my parents did, and I began to appreciate their values more. I don't mean to say I have raised my kids the same exact way as they did; I've just adopted some of their views. I read about a study that was done on this subject, and sure enough; most single people who have never had kids tend to be more "liberal". I thought that was interesting! <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby N2yes » Sun Apr 22, 2001 9:10 am

Yeskat, drop me a line sometime. I'm at cbpython@mediaone.net. I'm sure we can cover some really serious common ground. I will unhesitantly let you know well in advance that it would be my pleasure, so be sure and make contact. Eric, though I'm not sure how I forgot to run with the speech/language pathology ball, but here goes an effort to make up for lost time. Is your mom practicing in the school or hospital setting? Or is she in private practice? It is a very rewarding field but one that can burn you out in a hurry. On a less serious note, do you ever feel like she's watching your face when you speak, checking for anomalies of any sort? hehehe!!blue][/blue]<img src=pix/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby N2yes » Sun Apr 22, 2001 10:37 pm

Now that I have broadcast my e-mail address to everyone, lol, I expect to hear from all of you soon!!! Can't believe I overlooked the little e-mail symbol above the dialogue box! Oh well, we live and learn...sometimes!!Good thing I never claimed proficiency in computer know-how!<font color=blue></font id=blue><img src=pix/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby jackalz » Mon Apr 23, 2001 10:09 am

<font color="#6600FF"><b><font size=3> You probably don't want to check that box. You'll get an e'mail from YesTalk at every post. Since you check YesTalk frequently, there's really no need to be informed. But that's your choice of course. </font id=size3></b> </font> <img src=pix/icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby N2yes » Mon Apr 23, 2001 9:08 pm

Sound advice Jackalz, but luckily, it was the little envelope option right above this writing here. Apparently, one is spared the effusion of mail from the forum by using this one as all it does is give you your intended recipient's e-mail address via yestalk. Thanks for the alert though.<font color=blue></font id=blue><img src=pix/icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby jackalz » Tue Apr 24, 2001 1:20 am

<font color=purple><font size=3><b> jacka1z@home.com Oh I get it, there's always something new to learn. I'm just getting started on building my web page, with Frontpage. And the code is real similar to the code here. So that helps me feel a little less intimidated. </b></font id=size3></font id=purple>
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Postby jackalz » Tue Apr 24, 2001 1:32 am

<font color=purple><font size=3><b>Hmmm. I was hoping that would open up an e'mail message, but it just looks for a url. ...and can't find one.</font id=size3> <font size=4>

Hey, where's the SysOps when you need'em?!?!?!?</b></font id=size4>

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Postby jackalz » Tue Apr 24, 2001 2:03 am

<p><a href="mailto:jacka1z@home">mailto:jacka1z@home</a></p>
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Postby jackalz » Tue Apr 24, 2001 2:08 am

<font color=maroon><b><font size=3>There's some code that works, thanks Frontpage.

Now back to... The Revealing...</font id=size3></b></font id=maroon>
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