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Postby topographic_drama1980 » Mon Dec 06, 2004 1:18 am

I hope that this doesn't start any tempers flaring like the majorly-heated presidential thread, but what our your thoughts on gay marriage?

First off, I seriously get pissed off when it's called "gay-marriage," only because these people are getting singled out because of their sexually. I believe in same-sex marriages or "unions" as they are pathetically called. I know that there are tons of people in this world who can't stand homosexuals and I believe that the reason why those people don't like homosexuals are because they're homophobic. They are afraid that just because a person is gay, a person of the same sex will try to make sexual advances towards them. I find it really sad in a country that supposedly celebrates democracy and diversity that our own dear President is TOTALLY against same-sex marriages. Think of me what you will but I believe he is a bigot and a fascist homophobic jerk. I know Kerry didn't totally agree with it, but he would have been willing to legalize it.

Another thing I get really flamed about is when a lot of these hardcore Christians (keep in mind that I am not trying to bash any religion here) think of this as an "evil practice!" I find that to be very hateful and very un-Christian like. I thought God and Jesus supposedly loved everybody. I just hate it when a lot of people have to bring religion to it. We are all God's children and God loves us all unconditionally.

I hope that homosexuals can sometime in the near future have the same rights as everyone else in this country and in this world, period.

IMHO, I don't think it's anyone else's business if two gay men or two gay women want to get married. Who is to judge love? If they want to get married, then they should have that right. It's just like it's none of our business what goes on in their bedrooms, just like other people's sexlives are none of my business. I just wish that people would stop hating homosexuals. They're just like you and me. They breathe the same air and bleed the same blood and have feelings just like anyone else. If I'm rambling on, please excuse me, but I am just sick of all the hate, all the fascism, all the racism, and all the terrorist bullshit going on this world.

If I offended anyone, which I hope I didn't, I am sorry. Opinions are totally welcome.
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Postby Roan's Lady » Tue Dec 07, 2004 5:42 am

Outstanding, Eric. Wish there were millions like you.









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Postby tardistraveler » Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:43 pm

Eric, I had several things in mind to say after Terry's post, but YOU said them all, and said them FAR BETTER. There needs to be more people like you in this world. :)
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Postby The Ancient » Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:18 pm

...didn't he just call us all a bunch of MFs before promising to go away again after the holidays?
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An interesting piece of information..........

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Postby ycantibu » Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:25 pm

Kinda like everyone has to do with heterosexual marriages, huh?


[quote="Terry Shea"]Ah, I see. They want to stick the rest of us taxpayers and have us pay for their benefits. Why can't their partner just go out and get a job with benefits? It's not like he has to stay home and take care of the kids. Hey, I've got an idea! Let's push this thing through and then I can say I'm a homosexual and get married to another male and live off from his benefits and quit my job! It's not like I'd actually have to have sex with him. Nobody would know the difference. ]
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Postby ycantibu » Tue Dec 07, 2004 9:39 pm

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Would you introduce your kids to Eric?

Postby BE » Tue Dec 07, 2004 11:58 pm

[quote="Roan's Lady"][color=Indigo]Outstanding, Eric. Wish there were millions like you.

So RL,you wish there were millions of gay people that: use very expliced and vulgar language,are insulting to others on this site,alcohol and drug abusers,cant hold a job..boldy,triumphantly and proudly posts that he has Chlamymdia and describes his gay sex life in graphic and often nauseating detail......and never gets edited or banned!

Outstanding..a great role model Mom!

Hey at least Erics a YesHead and understands and agrees on the marriage issue!
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Great post Topographic_Drama80

Postby BE » Wed Dec 08, 2004 1:25 am

T_D80,
You said alot and I will try to answer only a bit of it and hopefully not get to heavy or offend anyone!
God and his son Jesus Christ dont hate homosexuals,they hate the sins they commit!God created and loves us all,but he didnt create homosexuality.He created us to love and serve him and follow his and Jesus'teachings...He despises sin and in his eyes all sin is evil,but equal.There are many forms of sin including: stealing,cheating,lying,murder(inc.abortion),taking Gods name in vain or as Eric states "immoral acts" such as:homosexual,adultrey,lusting,etc.

Christians are followers of Christ,so we must obey his teachings.So the saying "hate the sin and not the sinner" is appropriate.God will forgive all sins ...if we ask for forgiveness and change our evil ways!

There is no firm evidence that we are born with or develop a gay gene!..I believe it is an acquired livestyle that takes time to develop and it can beome an addiction.Like alcohol,drugs,sex,porn,food or even Yes.We give it a try,like it,want more,hang with the crowd,visit the same clubs/bars/chats,want much more,learn and live the lifestyle and sooner or later you are hooked and love it!.....But like any addiction(sin) it CAN be cured(forgiven) if YOU want to!......Problem is like most sins we like it and dont want to stop and there are 'Tears in Heaven"
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Postby yesireebob » Wed Dec 08, 2004 3:59 am

So, BE, exactly when did you chose to be heterosexual? Do you really think that people choose a lifestyle that is difficult at best, wherein they are spurned, reviled, insulted, denied fundamental rights, and most egregiously of all, "forgiven" by pompous, self-righteous Christians? Right.
I have always been blessed with having very dear gay friends, and I have always made it a point to have my son around them, from the time he was a very small child. I did not want him to grow up to be a homophobe. When he was about 5, I had a gay couple come spend the weekend from out of state, and before they arrived, I explained to my son that although usually a couple is usually comprised of a man and a woman, sometimes men fall in love with other men and women fall in love with other women, and that is ok and normal, too. He accepted it just fine. Now at 17, he is still fine spending time around my gay friends. And he is not gay. Neither am I. It's just not catching. Most of the gay people I know are either in stable relationships, or looking for a stable relationship. Unless they are young and sowing wild oats. Just like heterosexuals. Over 50% of all marriages, including amongst Christians, end in divorce. And guess what, it's not because of gay marriage. If you want to "protect" marriage, then maybe you should be lobbying to make divorce illegal. As for marriage itself, I think this should be left up to the church. There are churches that sanction gay marriages. A church should not be forced to sanction it, but neither should a church be prevented from doing so. And in any case, gay civil unions ought to respected so that their loved ones can enjoy all the benefits and privileges that heterosexual spouses enjoy. Gee Terry, lots of women become homemakers upon getting married, are they taxpayer burdens, too? Why should someone be denied benefits just because of their sexual orientation? And lets not forget that at one time the whole concept of interracial marriage was as horrifying to the mostly bigoted majority as gay marriage is to the mostly homophobic majority now. But democracy is not about majority rule, it is about protecting EVERYONE's rights. If left to the majority, we would still have segregated schools, and interracial marriage would still be illegal. Brown v. Board of Education, without that little piece of judicial "activism" where would we be now. You can pass all the legislation you want, but if it does not hold constitutional muster, it will be repealed in the end. Thank god for our independant judiciary, who still struggle to apply the Constitution to ALL members of society, and not just to the majority and their special interest groups. I can tolerate the intolerance of the BEs and Terrys because I know given time, their view will not prevail. Like it or not, we are evolving toward a very broad tolerance toward homosexuality. And it's about time. Just as with women's suffrage at the turn of the century and the civil rights movement in the 60's, this latest backlash only shows how threatening some still find it.
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Postby EricBliss12345 » Wed Dec 08, 2004 4:44 am

"Yeah,but the average gay union only lasts 18 months.Another reason not to have it called a marriage!" -BE

Actually, this is yet ANOTHER reason that we should have gay unions! Think about all the gay couples who DO stay together for years who deserve a justified union. I agree, for some reason gay relationships just do not last long and I can't figure out why. The handful of times I really made an effort at keeping a relationship going, it failed. I think it has something to do with the nature of my personality, very much absorbed in playing and listening to music, and the fact that I'm kind of quirky. LOL

Take my aunt for example, who is a lesbian. She's never dated much, but she has had several long term relationships. My entire childhood, and even up until my very early 20's, I thought that her lifelong "roomate" Drew was just that, a roomate! They were together at LEAST 10 years and I do know that they were friends in high school. My mom knew I was gay when I was 16, yet she didn't let me know about my gay aunt until I was 20! Weird huh?

Guess what else she didn't tell me? I'll start at the beginning. When I was 3, 4 years old, I had a kitty I loved named Mickey, who was an outside cat. Even though I was really young I can remember one day I was calling him outside all day, and he never came home. At the end of the day, my mother sat me down and told me "Honey, I'm sorry but Mickey ran away. Mickey still loves you but sometimes kitties need to be outside and on their own."

Fast-forward to my porch at our new house, when I'm 20-some years old. Me, my mom, and the neighbor were talking on the porch about our pet cats (my old neighbors back home were also cat lovers) and I told the story about how sad I was when my beloved kitty Mickey ran away.

My mother then started smiling. Then she started cracking up, and laughed so hard that she split the ass of her pants. It probably would have split anyways, because she has a huge, cellulite-laden ass. Just kidding. My mom's cute. :) I said "Mom, what the fuck is so funny? My kitty ran away!"

"Oh my God honey. I never told you?"

"Told me what?"

"Well.....honey, um. Wow, um, your dad, it was an accident! He came home from work, and Mickey, well....your dad ran Mickey over!"

To be continued. I'm ditching out of this thread now that I'm not pissed. I got more to say though. BE, watch your ass 'cause I'm comin' back with a vengeance! LOL Just joshing. Say what you want, no hard feelings.
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Postby BE » Wed Dec 08, 2004 5:04 am

Some great,interesting and funny stories there Eric,thanks for sharing....and pretty clean too!

Life does have its many loops,twists and turns.I believe you have taken many roads and had a few mishaps...I pray your future journeys will be smoother calmer and safer....Merry Christmas and a better,blessed New Year!.....now bring on the vengeance!
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Postby Gary » Wed Dec 08, 2004 3:58 pm

BE stated:

"God and his son Jesus Christ dont hate homosexuals,they hate the sins they commit!God created and loves us all,but he didnt create homosexuality.He created us to love and serve him and follow his and Jesus'teachings...He despises sin and in his eyes all sin is evil,but equal.There are many forms of sin including: stealing,cheating,lying,murder(inc.abortion),"




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Postby topographic_drama1980 » Wed Dec 08, 2004 9:57 pm

Two men or two women being married to each other doesn't affect me one bit. It just makes me happy that two people who are in love with each other, no matter what sexuality they are, are happy to be together. The only way it affects me is in a good way, it makes me happy to see them happy. Just like interracial marriages. I've mostly seen black men with white women and very rarely do I see a black woman with a white man, but either way, it's none of my business. THEY ARE JUST PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND I. If they're happy, I'm happy.

This is one of the main reasons I hate when a lot of groups (especially religious) get into big, heavy, heated debates about this. If you think about it, it's not that much different than a black and white marriage, which I am all for as well and also a regular marriage.

I don't think there are many pig-fuckers or people that wanna marry any other kind of animal. I know that there are some people that wanna marry their siblings (If you watch Jerry Springer, you know damn well what I'm talking about!). All that shit so far off from the subject (and yes, I'm referring to Terry's post), it's insane. It's like oil and water. They don't mix. Everyone knows you can't marry a sheep or a pig or a cow and you damn sure can't marry a part of your family, no matter if a girl thinks her brother is hot or vice versa, so all that is rather irrelevant.

As for the bit where God don't hate homosexuals, just the sins they commit, no offense to you, BE, but I find that to be totally WRONG! WE ARE ALL SINNERS!!! WE ALL SIN ALL THE TIME!!!!. Hell, I'm sinning right now by smoking a cigarette. No offense to anyone but I just hate it when some people bring God into the situation when it has nothing to do with Him. It has to do with two people of the same sex who want to have the same rights as the rest of the 260,000,000 here in America, or any other country, two people of the same gender who want get married and be happy with each other. I don't think there is any harm in that. It doesn't affect me in any bad way.


CELEBRATE DIVERSITY AND ERASE THE HATE AND BIGOTRY!!!


Oh, and matter what anyone says, this is the truth:

PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS AFRAID OF WHAT'S DIFFERENT.

And Gary, this part of your post really touched me and I agree with you 110% and always have agreed with this:

(Gary wrote :) I'm appaled that this kind of thinking still exists, whether it be race, religion, or anything. People always think that your doing something to them ("live off of the rest of us" or "you're only doing it to hurt us"), rather than just see that your only living your own life and that it has absolutely nothing to do with theirs.

I still can't comprehend how John and Charles legally being joined can have any effect on my life.
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