What about Zappa



What about Zappa

Postby elminster06 » Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:24 am

What an acomplish composer.
Doing such great music, easy, hard, pop.
The surprisingly thing is how he was able to do so much album, and most of them of incredible quality, and be able to never be serious, mocking everybody, every kind of music.

He make fun of prog rock in "one size fits all" as good as any pink floyd album, jazz in "hot rats" as good as anything Miles davis have done, 60 rock with "we're only in it for the money" well on this one is only making fun of hippie and group like jefferson airplaine.

really one of the best.
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Re: What about Zappa

Postby happytheman » Tue Aug 28, 2007 11:56 pm

elminster06 wrote:What an acomplish composer.
Doing such great music, easy, hard, pop.
The surprisingly thing is how he was able to do so much album, and most of them of incredible quality, and be able to never be serious, mocking everybody, every kind of music.

He make fun of prog rock in "one size fits all" as good as any pink floyd album, jazz in "hot rats" as good as anything Miles davis have done, 60 rock with "we're only in it for the money" well on this one is only making fun of hippie and group like jefferson airplaine.

really one of the best.

He was a genius. Outstanding guitar player. Excellent song writer. Right on the money with his observations of the human condition and society in general. All that and at times a righteous a**hole!
Somewhere there is a thread that has some interesting takes on Frank from the YesTalk community
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Re: What about Zappa

Postby yesman90125 » Sun May 04, 2008 1:06 am

All musicallity aside
I'd like to steer the conversation to Zappa's Social commentary
and sense of humour.
I was just listening to Joe's Garage
and Was thinking Hey I wonder if ther's a Zappa Thread inside Yestalk .
and here it is
Probably my Favourite Creation Of Zappa is "The Central Scrutinizer"
to know zappa is to be apart of one of those fraternaty's like monty python, DR Who-or Chech And Chong-or something
sure it's great music
but the larger point is the message
Probably the thing missing in lots of todays music is
the message
but
Rock being the medium of our Generation
Many of us Grew up while thes artist were trying to educate us
Bob Marly Was talking about universal Brotherhood
and Yes Was Talking about Cosmic enlightenment
while Zappa Was hitting the social issues of the Day with Irony,Sarcasm.
and a twisted sense of humour
some of Zappa's stuff is slightly dated like "we're only in it for the money"
his Take on the Beatles
and things like "Dancin Fool" That was a rip on the Disco Era
But some of it is timeless
and will allways resonate with people that like to think while they Rock
and Perhaps laugh a little (or a lot)
heres a little tidbit from Joe's Garage
the scene that sets the scene:

Desperate nerds in high offices all over the world have been known to
enact the most disgusting pieces of legislation in order to win votes
(or, in places where they don't get to vote, to control unwanted forms of
mass behavior).
Environmental laws were not passed to protect our air and water...
they were passed to get votes. Seasonal anti-smut campaigns are not
conducted to rid our communities of moral rot...they are conducted to give
an aura of saintliness to the office-seekers who demand them. If a few
key phrases are thrown into any speech (as the expert advisors explain to
these various heads of state) votes will roll in, bucks will roll in, and, most
importantly, power will be maintained by the groovy guy (or gal) who gets
the most media coverage for his sleaze. Naturally, his friends in various
businesses will do okay too.
All governments perpetuate themselves through the daily commission of act
which a rational person might find to be stupid or dangerous (or both). Naturally,
our government is no exception... for instance, if the President (any one of them)
went on TV and sat there with the flag in the background (or maybe a rustic
scene on a little backdrop, plus the flag) and stared sincerely into the camera
and told everybody that all energy problems and all inflationary problems had been
traced to and could be solved by the abolition of MUSIC, chances are that most
people would believe him and think that the illegalization of this obnoxious form of
noise pollution would be a small price to pay for the chance to buy gas like the good
ol' days. No way? Never happen? Records are made out of oil. All those big rock
shows go from town to town in fuel-gobbling 45 foot trucks...and when they get there,
they use up enormous amounts of electrical energy with their lights, their amplifiers,
their PA systems...their smoke machines. And all those synthesizers...look at all
the plastic they got in 'em...and the guitar picks...you name it...
JOE'S GARAGE is a stupid story about how the government is going to try to do away
with music (a prime cause of unwanted mass behavior! It's sort of like a really cheap
kind of high school play...the way it might have been done 20 years ago, with all the sets
made out of cardboard boxes and poster paint. It's also like those lectures that local
narks used to give (where they show you a display of all the different ways you can get
wasted, with the pills leading to the weed leading to the needle, etc., etc.).
If the plot of the story seems just a little bit preposterous, and if the idea of The Central
Scrutinizer enforcing laws that haven't been passed yet makes you giggle, just be glad
you don't live in one of the cheerful little countries where, at this very moment, music is
either severely restricted...or, as it is in Iran, totally illegal.

SCENE ONE
ENTRANCE OF THE CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER

Sometimes when you're not looking he just sneaks up on you. He looks like a cheap
sort of flying saucer about five feet across with a snout-like megaphone apparatus in
the front with two big eyes mounted like Appletons with miniature motorized frowning
chrome eyebrows over them. Along the side of his disc-like body are several sets of
stupid looking headers and exhaust hoses which apparently propel him and punctuate
his dialogue with horrible smelling smoke rings. In the middle of his head we can see
an airport wind sock and constantly twirling anemometer. The bottom of him has a landing
light and three spoked wheels. In spite of all this, it is obvious that the way he really gets
around is by being dangled from place to place by a union guy with a dark green shirt up
in the roof who is eating a sandwich (pieces of which drop off every once in a while
and lodge themselves near the hole where they put the oil in that makes the cheap smoke).
He hovers into view and speaks to us thusly...

CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER:
This is the CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER...it is my responsibility to enforce all the laws
that haven't been passed yet. It is also my responsibility to alert each and every one of
you to the potential consequences of various ordinary everyday activities you might be
performing which could eventually lead to The Death Penalty (or affect your parents'
credit rating). Our criminal institutions are full of little creeps like you who do wrong things...
and many of them were driven to these crimes by a horrible force called MUSIC! Our studies
have shown that this horrible force is so dangerous to society at large that laws are being
drawn up at this very moment to stop it forever! Cruel and inhuman punishments are
being carefully described in tiny paragraphs so they won't conflict with the Constitution
(which, itself, is being modified in order to accommodate THE FUTURE).
I bring you now a special presentation to show what can happen to you if you choose
a career in MUSIC . . . The WHITE ZONE is for loading and unloading only. . . if you
have to load or unload, go to the WHITE ZONE... you 'll love it... it 's a way of life . . .
This is the CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER...The WHITE ZONE is for loading and unloading
only... (etc.)
I could Go on and On with Frank's approach to humor and social Issues
but I think anyone who know Zappa's stuff Probably has their own Favorite.
Just like your favorite line from Cheech and Chong
or your Favorite Steve Martin Bit
or Monty Python Lines

of course sometimes Zappa Did'nt make much social commentary and just tried to make us laugh
with songs like "Don't Eat the Yellow snow"
or "Dynamo hum"
underneath it all was Serious musicianship on the highest level
the one thing Frank allways insisted on
I was lucky enough to have been working at a recording studio in the
mid 80's and Frank Came there to record something(I think For "Jazz From Hell") I saw how serious he took his work and how he demanded MUCH from everyone involved.
RIP Frank You were one of the Greats!
I was at a Steve Howe show the Day Zappa Died
Steve Was talking during and After the show
about how Frank Zappa Was one of the first People to notice Steve
in an earlier Band (Tommorow or Bodast)
and how exceited Frank was about the early Yes music
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Re: What about Zappa

Postby happytheman » Sun May 04, 2008 12:28 pm

Nice observation. Again, Frank was a genius, years ahead of his time! I hope to catch his son's "Zappa plays Zappa" next time it rolls through Virginia. They played Richmond last Nov. but I had plans already for that evening.
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Re: What about Zappa

Postby sound_chaser » Sun May 04, 2008 1:14 pm

I got a bit tired of Zappa's overtly offensive humour and feel it detracted from the music, as he was a formidable musician, composer and arranger. The Zappa material I play most often comes from either Hot Rats, Waka Jawaka, or The Grand Wazoo. Lyrically, I think he was at his best in the early Mothers of Invention period, to be found on the first three albums, Freak Out, Absolutely Free and We're Only In It For The Money. His biting social commentary really nails the psychedelia period, where youngsters, revelling in the code of the post beat generation counter-culture, were pitted against an outraged American moral majority, who would do their best to crush the spirit of those demanding change: fascinating stuff!
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Re: What about Zappa

Postby N2yes » Sun May 04, 2008 5:06 pm

Didn't care for him one bit, God bless his soul. I never found anything that was truly melodic, just a bunch of noise. Oh well, Best of luck to Moon Unit and Dweezel(sp).
"Master of images-Songs cast a light on you"
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Re: What about Zappa

Postby yesman90125 » Sun May 04, 2008 5:43 pm

N2yes wrote:Didn't care for him one bit, God bless his soul. I never found anything that was truly melodic, just a bunch of noise. Oh well, Best of luck to Moon Unit and Dweezel(sp).

an aquired taste for sure the stuff sort of Grew on me over the years
although Frank has some serious Mahavishnu Moments and his work cant really be labelled very well

I agree some of it is very offensive, sexually explicit and funny as hell
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Re: What about Zappa

Postby sound_chaser » Sun May 04, 2008 9:38 pm

N2yes wrote:Didn't care for him one bit, God bless his soul. I never found anything that was truly melodic, just a bunch of noise. Oh well, Best of luck to Moon Unit and Dweezel(sp).


Give me time...I'm going to make you eat your words on this one!
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Re: What about Zappa

Postby yesman90125 » Sun May 04, 2008 9:52 pm

sound_chaser wrote:Give me time...I'm going to make you eat your words on this one!

I'd like to throw a few songs at ya to N2
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Re: What about Zappa

Postby john mccleary » Thu May 08, 2008 6:32 pm

Watch where you go and dont you eat that yellow snow.Im a Zappa FAN.mY FRIEND IN Texas was a big Zappa fan.I have Roxy and eleswhere.1974.I have a mental illness and I go to a place where we can meet.With the bosses permission I want them to listen to the song Cheapness. Its a song about cheap produtions from the 50s and 60s Japan and Chineses horror movies.I hope the get it and laugh to it.I agree that Zappa needs to stay on here. :D .
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