[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 483: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 379: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 379: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/bbcode.php on line 112: preg_replace(): The /e modifier is no longer supported, use preg_replace_callback instead
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4752: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3887)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4754: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3887)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4755: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3887)
[phpBB Debug] PHP Warning: in file [ROOT]/includes/functions.php on line 4756: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at [ROOT]/includes/functions.php:3887)
YEStalk Discussion Forums • View topic - GTR

GTR



GTR

Postby N2yes » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:37 pm

GTR were a supergroup founded in 1986 by ex-Genesis guitarist Steve Hackett and Yes and Asia guitarist Steve Howe. Other members included vocalist (and former milkman) Max Bacon (ex-Moby Dick, Nightwing, Bronz), bassist Phil Spalding (ex-Bernie Torme, Toyah, Mike Oldfield, Original Mirrors), and American drummer Jonathan Mover (ex-Marillion, later of Steve Vai fame). GTR were notable for attempting to create a band with guitar and synthesiser sounds, but without the use of conventional keyboard synths, using guitar/synthesisers instead. Hackett and Howe's guitars were outfitted with Roland synthesiser trigger pickups, which used the vibrations of the strings to create MIDI signals used to play the synthesizers. While this may have worked in the studio, they were forced to take a keyboardist on the road because of the poor tracking qualities of the guitar synths.
GTR's only studio album, a self-titled LP produced by Geoffrey Downes of Asia, released by Arista Records, went gold and spawned a hit single, "When the Heart Rules the Mind", which stayed in the charts for 16 weeks. Another single, "The Hunter," received some video coverage and modest airplay. While GTR's album was a chart success, it is highly debated with many fans of Genesis and Yes. Some fans claim it has rather substandard filler material and some criticism directed at Max Bacon's strident tenor which, in the view of this poster, only served to augment the sound of two of the world's greatest guitarists. However, it has become somewhat of a cult classic among fans, with some of them regarding it the best work ever.

After a poorly conceived trans-Atlantic tour, Hackett's dissatisfaction with the group's financial management spelled the end of the project. Subsequent to an abortive lineup change in 1987, Hackett left GTR, stating it had been "interesting for about five minutes". He once said of the group, "There are artistic limitations with any successful band and it was a successful band." There were artistic differences between him and Howe as well.

The King Biscuit recording from Los Angeles demonstrated that the group was extremely tight and well practiced live. Tracks include versions of Yes's "Roundabout" and a re-working of the Genesis classic "I Know What I Like" as well as songs from the band's sole studio album, Hackett's and Howe's solo LPs and the U.S. Top 40 single "When The Heart Rules The Mind". Also, a preview of a new song, "Prizefighters", was included on this collection. The song was later developed for Hackett's planned 1986 release Feedback (only eventually released in 2000).
After this, the band disbanded with Steve Hackett returning to solo releases including Guitar Noir. Steve Howe tried to reform the group with Robert Berry as a guitarist and lead vocals. The bootleg of the second album sessions called 'Nerotrend' (later released as a bootleg) features half the music sung by Berry and half sung by Bacon. Various bits of this release have appeared on future albums, including the song 'This World is Big Enough for All of Us' which became 'Birthright' on the ABWH album.
Max Bacon's 1996 solo album The Higher They Climb included GTR material. He later sang lead on "Going, Going, Gone" on Steve Howe's 1999 release, Portraits of Bob Dylan. There is also a CD of the LA GTR performance on King Biscuit Flower Hour at the Wilshire Theater.
This was undeniably a 'supergroup', regrettably one with little endurance due to competing views between Howe and Hackett. Oh well, that one album achieved quite a bit of notoriety, sufficient enough to send them into this forum with all the accolades due them.
"Master of images-Songs cast a light on you"
N2yes

User avatar
Starship Trooper
 
Posts: 5443
Joined: Sat Feb 10, 2001 7:00 pm
Location: Concord, New Hampshire, USA.

Re: GTR

Postby N2yes » Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:39 pm

Just a visual reminder of the true greatness of this once mighty band.


"Master of images-Songs cast a light on you"
N2yes

User avatar
Starship Trooper
 
Posts: 5443
Joined: Sat Feb 10, 2001 7:00 pm
Location: Concord, New Hampshire, USA.

Re: GTR

Postby sound_chaser » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:00 pm

sound_chaser

 
Posts: 1516
Joined: Sun Aug 26, 2001 5:00 pm
Location: The Light Side.

Re: GTR

Postby the greenman » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:06 pm

the greenman

Veteran Member
 
Posts: 377
Joined: Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:08 pm
Location: On Sacred Ground

Re: GTR

Postby sound_chaser » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:15 pm

sound_chaser

 
Posts: 1516
Joined: Sun Aug 26, 2001 5:00 pm
Location: The Light Side.

Re: GTR

Postby the greenman » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:25 pm

the greenman

Veteran Member
 
Posts: 377
Joined: Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:08 pm
Location: On Sacred Ground

Re: GTR

Postby N2yes » Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:26 pm

"Master of images-Songs cast a light on you"
N2yes

User avatar
Starship Trooper
 
Posts: 5443
Joined: Sat Feb 10, 2001 7:00 pm
Location: Concord, New Hampshire, USA.

Re: GTR

Postby Mr. Stout » Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:08 am

Mr. Stout

Veteran Member
 
Posts: 128
Joined: Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:30 am
Location: dividing time between Staten Island N.Y. and Freehold N.J.

Re: GTR

Postby Mr. Stout » Sat Jan 10, 2009 5:42 am

Oh, and I did notice Chris stated that Robert Berry was involved in the second album. Im glad that album didn`t officially happen. Dinkleberry while multitalented, does not have any distinction in any of his songwriting .It`s typical, sludge California autopilot AOR , and his vocals are rather generic.
The fool , if people remember, was involved in a band best forgotten called `Three', with Keith Emerson and carl palmer. This album ,unfortunately, folllowed the much underrated ELPowell project , which failed to continue due to lack of finances and hostilities between Emerson and Lake(nothing new!!). the Three album was nothing more than a Robert Berry solo work with Emerson and Palmer far relegated to the background. Nothing on this album is particularly memorable, and is actually quite dreadful, forgettable,and regrettable save for `On My Way Home." Emerson`s tribute to the late Charisma record label boss, Tony Stratton-smith
Dinkleberry has shown himslef to be a pompous,preening dick who thinks highly of himself. In a Goldmine article , he ripped into Greg lake, characterizing him as not `musically strong. ' Let`s see, an awe inspiring voice, two acoustic ballads, From The Beginning and Lucky man, that broke the top forty! An Xmas classic that`s played every year! And not to mention some of the most distinctive acoustic and bass guitar work ever heard. And what has Berry done? the last thing i heard of him was that excretable version of `Roundabaout on a Yes tribute album some years ago. Dinkleberry is nothing more than the soubriquet I have bestowed upon him, literally hanging off a rear end.
Mr. Stout

Veteran Member
 
Posts: 128
Joined: Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:30 am
Location: dividing time between Staten Island N.Y. and Freehold N.J.

Re: GTR

Postby sound_chaser » Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:08 am

sound_chaser

 
Posts: 1516
Joined: Sun Aug 26, 2001 5:00 pm
Location: The Light Side.

Re: GTR

Postby Tomfoolery » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:51 am

"The word is love and the time is now, and it's right for me"
Tomfoolery

User avatar
 
Posts: 1496
Joined: Mon Feb 12, 2001 7:19 pm
Location: Newport News, VA

Re: GTR

Postby TaterMouse » Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:28 pm

"So back it up to a biscuit there Eric!!"
~N2Yes
TaterMouse

User avatar
Charter Member
 
Posts: 639
Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2001 5:00 pm
Location: Newark, Ohio

Re: GTR

Postby the greenman » Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:49 pm

I agree with Mr Stout: "With GTR, you get the feeling there should have been more, but you`re left with a lot less. This band wasn`t indicative of the talent involved."

I think I expected something more proggy than AoR-y & more dueling guitars than we got.

The live album was never officially released but some sources have it, depending on how brave you feel -

CDJapan have it for $30..

I cant remember where I got mine - MP3fiesta.com, I think, but it's not listed there now..
the greenman

Veteran Member
 
Posts: 377
Joined: Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:08 pm
Location: On Sacred Ground

Re: GTR

Postby TaterMouse » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:30 pm

"So back it up to a biscuit there Eric!!"
~N2Yes
TaterMouse

User avatar
Charter Member
 
Posts: 639
Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2001 5:00 pm
Location: Newark, Ohio

Re: GTR

Postby the greenman » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:34 pm

the greenman

Veteran Member
 
Posts: 377
Joined: Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:08 pm
Location: On Sacred Ground

Re: GTR

Postby TaterMouse » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:39 pm

I about shit when I heard Payne's Asia. It's actually quite awesome. I remember when the first Asia album with Payne on vocals came out. I said to myself, "Who is this jerk? He sucks!" But he grew on me like a weed. Now I love the guy. There is a song, it's the opening track on one of the later Asia LP's called "Awake." It's an amazing piece of music with great words and strong positive energy. And for what it's worth, Steve is playing on Free and I think a few other songs. I believe the album was Aura. I'm not sure. But Awake is an amazing piece of music.
"So back it up to a biscuit there Eric!!"
~N2Yes
TaterMouse

User avatar
Charter Member
 
Posts: 639
Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2001 5:00 pm
Location: Newark, Ohio

Re: GTR

Postby happytheman » Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:00 pm

happytheman

Charter Member
 
Posts: 870
Joined: Tue Nov 26, 2002 6:00 pm
Location: .

Re: GTR

Postby tardistraveler » Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:13 pm

I was underwhelmed with GTR - good pop, but the same problem I had initially with Asia. You've got all of this amazing prog talent, and get pop???

The live show IS good - I have a copy of it, and I like what they did with the Yes/Genesis stuff.

Individually, I LOVE both Hackett and Howe . . . and prefer them individually over GTR . . .


And Tater, I like John Payne with Asia too . . . his voice is excellent, in my book, and I love Guthrie Govan on guitar . . . the later Asia is much proggier than early Asia, and it's my preference.
tardistraveler

User avatar
 
Posts: 6904
Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2003 8:17 am
Location: Nashville, TN, USA.

Re: GTR

Postby N2yes » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:35 am

"Master of images-Songs cast a light on you"
N2yes

User avatar
Starship Trooper
 
Posts: 5443
Joined: Sat Feb 10, 2001 7:00 pm
Location: Concord, New Hampshire, USA.

Re: GTR

Postby happytheman » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:22 pm

happytheman

Charter Member
 
Posts: 870
Joined: Tue Nov 26, 2002 6:00 pm
Location: .

Re: GTR

Postby TaterMouse » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:17 pm

"So back it up to a biscuit there Eric!!"
~N2Yes
TaterMouse

User avatar
Charter Member
 
Posts: 639
Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2001 5:00 pm
Location: Newark, Ohio

Re: GTR

Postby Yessong » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:21 pm

Yessong

Charter Member
 
Posts: 576
Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2001 5:50 am
Location: East Setauket, New York, USA.

Re: GTR

Postby Chris2210 » Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:19 pm

I bought both albums relatively recently (only a few months ago). Think I picked them both up from eBy and neither cost me much more than a fiver with p&p.

I'm glad I didn't fork out much more. I'm in general agreement with most of the sentiment expressed here. In this case it was a question of the sum of the whole being less than the parts. My two favourite guitarists and I have a fair bit of each's solo work (actually virtually all of Howe's) which would suggest better even in terms of songwriting. I don't think any of it's bad... but as others have indicated there's actually more substance on the King Biscuit live album.

Perhaps on the strength of this it isn't any tragedy the project never went beyond one studio album. Encouraging to hear that in spite of their differences over this there's still a great deal of mutual regard and the 'Steves' remain friends to this day...
I used to be agnostic. These days I'm not so sure.
Chris2210

User avatar
 
Posts: 2150
Joined: Thu Jun 07, 2001 5:00 pm
Location: Huddersfield, Yorkshire, United Kingdom.

Re: GTR

Postby the greenman » Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:29 pm

quite by chance, I found some 'making of GTR' pieces out there on YouTube - seems to be split into a number of parts, which are all out there..

enjoy

the greenman

Veteran Member
 
Posts: 377
Joined: Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:08 pm
Location: On Sacred Ground


Return to When Rock Was Young

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron