THE DEFINITIVE YESSONG?



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THE DEFINITIVE YESSONG?

Postby childlikesouldreamer » Thu Nov 21, 2002 12:41 am

Which YESSONG could qualify for the status of definitive? In my view it is SURVIVAL. I choose this one for a variety of reasons, and not in any particular order. For an early YESSONG it seems to have characteristics of later YES music, as well as being typical of YES music in other ways. The initial crushing power of Squire's bass, the 'slidey' guitar of Banks which Howe later refined, the way the guitar 'winds around' Kaye's organ towards the end of the opening instrumental part, all recur as themes in later YES music. It is as though this music is setting the stage for a whole decades-long career as well as a song. This section then fades out to be replaced by a fade-in of gentle and haunting guitar chords ( To me this connotes the secenery of a field in summer, a bit like Zeppelin's 'Stairway to Heaven' intro). This kind of musical change has characterised much of the band's music throughout their career (especially on their twenty-minute musical excursions), and this is the only early YESSONG to feature this kind of change of musical texture so prominently.
After the acoustic guitar(s), handled very nicely by Banks, come Anderson's vocals. Here, there is more definitive YES. Anderson introduces us to a basic lyrical theme in his songs, one which has dominated his song writing in the band: that of the sun; 'Sunshine is creeping in...'. Again, it's as though the stage is being set for it all.
The lyrics develop, and it's a sad story about a hatched bird having been deserted by a mother bird. The offspring has no power or freedom. But, for us humans, life is in fact very similar, because so much of our lives are not really under our control; 'And life's the same, for things we aim, are we to blame?.' In addition, 'It really is right to know' about this. (How true!). Hints of YIND here; 'If your summer changes to winter, yours is no disgrace.'
And there is a positive side; 'Don't doubt this fight of life within you.'And ultimately, 'All that dies, dies for a reason, to put it's strength into the season.' Because '...we're all going somewhere.' We are all part of something much greater. Here is the cosmic theme of Anderson stated very early on, which we can all feel positive about. There's also a quasi-religious aspect to the song too (which recurred later also);' Yesterday's endings will tomorrow I forgive you.'
So, the basic theme of being positive has been set in this song (re: the debate this summer about the nature of the concept of 'YES' and Anderson's lyrics). And Just after, '...going somewhere' has finished, the music returns to the opening section with a short instrumental 'conversation' between Squire, Banks and Kaye, another feature of later YES music.
Throughout, I think, it is Squire contributing harmony vocals, and they complement Jon's voice WONDERFULLY! That, of course, recurred later too.
All in all, a glorious introduction to YES music, especially considering it was the opening track on their first album! For all these reasons I select it as the definitive YESSONG. It sounds similar enough to a lot of the later music anyway, and wouldn't have been out of place on the YESSONGS live album.
Anderson wrote this song, and that gives it an extra flavour of being something definitive about YES. He is central to YES after all. Many of the best YESSONGS have been written by Jon Anderson, and I'd like to hear a lot more of his own own songs recorded by YES.
I've always loved SURVIVAL. It's one of my favourite. Not my absolute fave. SOON is my favourite. It's so dreamy, lullaby, heartfelt and poignant. Anyway, that's another analysis! What do YOU think? What is the definitive YESSONG for you?

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Postby Chris2210 » Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:10 am

I'm not sure I could pin it down to just one. Survival is my favourite from the first two albums as well and I've noted similar things in respect of it being a precursor to the band's later 'mature' direction.

But much as I like Peter's work on this track (and indeed the whole of the first album in particular), the line-up would have to include Steve for the music to strike me as definitive Yes. I'd also have to say that on the whole, the structure of <i>Survival</i> is still far too simple to adequately epitomise the more 'involved' nature of what many would think of as 'classic' Yes.

Having recently acquired a copy of Howe's Homebrew, I've also come to think that Steve is responsible for far more of the '70s compositions than I'd previously imagined. That includes a certain amount of the lyrical content - although he seems to have been happy to let Jon 'Andersonify' it. <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

First response to your interesting question and already you have a cheat as I'm going to nominate the whole of 'Tales' as being quintessential Yes - because it's all there, (over 80 minutes there's a good chance of that isn't there? I did say I was cheating)!

Of course if the Rabin contributions matter to you then what I've said is patently nonsense. But in such a case perhaps a 'definitive' song is an impossibility as we're talking about two bands with enough dissimilarities to make one song from either unrepresentative of the whole history of 'Yes'.
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Postby childlikesouldreamer » Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:29 am

Chris,

For the 'concepty' nature of YES, I think the whole of TALES is a fair candidate. But I think many would say that CTTE really deserves the accolade in that case. But I think AWAKEN is their finest concept track by far. I chose SURVIVAL also because it is a kind of 'mini'-concept, as I explained. But if we view YES as a concept band, and we then exclude the Rabin stuff as you mentioned, then we should discuss their 15-20 minute concepts. But SURVIVAL doubles up neatly as both a song and a concept track, which also clocks in at 6 minutes and 16 seconds. This is fairly long for an early track. I like the compactness of SURVIVAL for it's double characteristics - both song and concept. Also, it is both powerful and poignant.

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Postby ycantibu » Thu Nov 21, 2002 3:05 am

I guess it would be Awaken or Endless Dream, for me. I go for the more ambient stuff anyhoo.

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Postby guilddigger » Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:48 am

<font face='Comic Sans MS'>oh boy this is tough...
i agree that 'survival' is one of the best early songs, along with 'time and a word'.
but for me i think it comes to a tie between 'awaken' and 'to be over'.
both highly emotional songs, lyrically and musically.






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Postby tribute1969 » Thu Nov 21, 2002 8:48 am

For me has to be Gates/Soon- has everything but RICK!![url][/url]http://afterhoursbbs.com/images/trib60-2.jpg
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Postby HeartOfTheSunrise » Thu Nov 21, 2002 9:24 am

it depends on what you mean by "definitive"

if you ask the regular guy, YES is roundabout
the song that when you say to someone who doesn't know YES
"do you know YES?" they say "roundabout?"

so in that sense Roundabout is definitive

if you mean by "definitive" the song that has the most YES characteristics that is another "definitive"
and if you mean the song that if someone never heard it before they would say "oh that must be YES" cause it "souuuuunds like YES"
then that is another defintive

to me Close To The Edge is the most "definitive" song

it includes everything that YES is about
celestial lyrics, deep lyrics, great great great guitar work, booming bass, offbeat drums, good jammin and rockin, and then, offbeat breaks

different parts, different moods, different beats, a song with lyrics that encompass the whole gamut of life experience and the finality of it all

it is absolute YES

i also say this is definitive and not Gates because Gates emits a moood i don't find to be vey YESish until of course the Soon part

Awaken might be considered definitive but i don't see it as encompossing every mood, it may even be too out there, not rocky enough,

This isnt a pop contest and it isn't a weirdest song contest

i can see how picking The Revealing or something else off of Tales can be considered "definitive" but to be "Definitive" in my mind, it's got to have at least some mass appeal or popularity

not BE poppish or known by everyone (like Roundabout) but also, it is hard to say something is definitive, when no one other than real followers of the group really know it

what is their best work?
what is their most popular peace?
what is the song that "has it all" as far as what YES really is all about?

i think you got to, to be "definitive" you got to have the third and overlap into the others

Close To The Edge, the song, is THAT SONG that defines YES
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Postby Yesmam » Thu Nov 21, 2002 11:24 am

Gates.
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Postby Squire*Fan725 » Thu Nov 21, 2002 1:20 pm

<font face='Tempus Sans ITC'><font size=4><font color=blue><b>Oh man...No way in hell can I answer <i>that</i> one!<img src=pix/silly.gif border=0 align=middle></b></font id=blue></font id=size4></font id='Tempus Sans ITC'>
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Postby yesfan37 » Thu Nov 21, 2002 7:53 pm

Thats a hard one. Just one song?
AWAKEN really touches my soul But I've always been a big CLOSE TO THE EDGE fan!

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Postby Chris2210 » Thu Nov 21, 2002 8:37 pm

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<b>childlikesouldreamer wrote:</b>
Chris,

For the 'concepty' nature of YES, I think the whole of TALES is a fair candidate. But I think many would say that CTTE really deserves the accolade in that case. But I think AWAKEN is their finest concept track by far. I chose SURVIVAL also because it is a kind of 'mini'-concept, as I explained.
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I suppose I'm a bit unusual in that although I like CttE it isn't really amongst my absolute favourites of Yes tracks. It just doesn't strike me as too tightly organised. IMO just about every other extended piece they subsequently produced hangs together better thematically. I also think the mixing on the original studio cut could have been better - the bass sounds downright clumsly in parts. It's still of course a great track and groundbreaking for its time, but I prefer AYAI personally.

I can't but feel good about your appreciation for Survival because it is a track I dearly love and I do agree that you can view it as an early blueprint for the Yes sound.

It's becoming clear already that there isn't going to be much of a consensus on this question. We all have individual ideas about what defines this band - maybe that's a reflection of the breadth and depth of their material.

It's nontheless an interesting discussion and IMO one of the better threads started up recently. Thanks for that and well done!
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Postby bundy » Thu Nov 21, 2002 10:10 pm

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[b]Squire*Fan725 wrote
Oh man...No way in hell can I answer that one!

I'm with you Squire Fan. I'll have a go though but I can't pick just one. For early Yes I think Childsoulikedreamer has pretty much nailed it. Although Harold Land is pretty close for many of the same reasons that CSLD stated in his post. The Soon Passage from Gates.. is another. I don't know that a definitive track can necessarily be 80 minutes long so that rules out Tales.. Wow I'm starting to narrow it down. I'm not even going to consider Rabin era Yes as to me they are so different from the Yes most think of as the definitive Yes sound as to not count. My definitive Yes track would be either Wonderous Stories or Turn of the Century. Interesting noone else has yet nominated either of these tracks. I would probably lean towards Turn.. as it is a bit more involved in it's arrangement. Still don't know if I would call this the definitive song as to my mind it is not played by my definitive lineup which would include Bruford rather than White on drums. Same can also be said of Soon ( replace Moraz with Wakeman) and Survival (Insert Wakeman and Howe for Kaye and Banks). Does any of that make sense?
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Postby gtrpir8 » Fri Nov 22, 2002 12:15 am

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<b>HeartOfTheSunrise wrote:</b>
it depends on what you mean by "definitive"

if you ask the regular guy, YES is roundabout
the song that when you say to someone who doesn't know YES
"do you know YES?" they say "roundabout?"

so in that sense Roundabout is definitive

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I agree with this assessment, although that tends to restrict itself to the pre-Owner timeframe. I would guess that more people would now equate YES with Owner Of A Lonely Heart.

Personally, I think Heart Of The Sunrise can be considered as a possible "definitive". Plenty of changes of dynamics, tempo, etc., and lots of inter-weaving of instruments. Plus, it clocks in at around 10 minutes, so it's a good bridge from the shorter (5-7 minutes) and the longer (15-20 minutes) songs that YES produced.
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Postby yesman90125 » Fri Nov 22, 2002 12:29 am

I know we all sort of voted awhile back
and I think Awaken was the winner by process of elimination
that one takes my vote too
I am going to see Yes tommorow night
Knowing the setlist
and knowing the song will be played
is enough to make me almost not want to go
for fear of crying in public

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Postby psychopomp95 » Fri Nov 22, 2002 5:33 am

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<b>gtrpir8 wrote:</b>
Personally, I think Heart Of The Sunrise can be considered as a possible "definitive". Plenty of changes of dynamics, tempo, etc., and lots of inter-weaving of instruments. Plus, it clocks in at around 10 minutes, so it's a good bridge from the shorter (5-7 minutes) and the longer (15-20 minutes) songs that YES produced.
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I think HOTS is also a really good candidate... although Yes has always changed so much that it'd be hard to say a song 'defines' them for a span of time much longer than the album it's on, and the albums that come before and after it. Basically, 'Gates' COULD be considered definitive, but not to people who've only heard 'Roundabout'. 'Endless Dream' could be definitive of the Rabin era, but not to people who've only heard 'Owner'... etc.

When I think of Yes, I think back to a video of the Union tour which was my first real, involved exposure to them. So I'd say the live version of AYAI (not the studio version, never quite did it for me as much as the live one), and Roundabout, YIND and HOTS are right up there too. And I think 'Endless Dream' is a good pick for a general 'definition' of Yes, even if Howe/Wakeman don't play on it. But then.... <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby childlikesouldreamer » Fri Nov 22, 2002 12:52 pm

Thanks for the congrats for choice of discussion topic Chris, and SURVIVAL is a very dear song to me too. And I mean aside from it's 'definitive' nature - it's both beautiful and powerful.
I have long felt, long before I ever found out about this forum, that there is something very typically YES about SURVIVAL. When I obtained YESTERDAYS for the first time, in my pre-teens about 25 years ago (a whole quarter century, oh my God!), I felt surprised then by how different it seemed to the other music on the album.
But I think gtr's choice of HOTS is also a very good choice, for the reasons he gives, plus it seems to combine the aggressive and gentle aspects of YES very nicely, and joining these two without a sense of unbalance. A similar lyrical analysis could be made for this one as for survival too; Life is hard ('I feel lost in the city', etc.), but if we look to our selves there is something positive and cosmic inside ('Dreamer easy in the chair that really fits you.').
Also, I love the simple and beautiful truth of the opening line ('Love comes to you, and you follow'). Plus the central theme of The Sun is of course well explored in this one. Jon gives some of his purest vocals ever in this one also, and I think the purity of Anderson's voice is an important part of YES music and philosophy.
But, I stick with SURVIVAL anyway as the definitive YESSONG. But now I have a heightened respect for HOTS.

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Postby qman » Mon Nov 25, 2002 12:55 am

I believe it's AWAKEN. There are so many to chose from that could fit that bill. Awaken just screams YES, and it has the definitive YES line-up. Being a 30 year fan I've enjoyed every version of YES but the current line up is the definitive YES and Awaken is their most perfect piece of music. I also love Turn of the Century, just beautiful but again like I said there are so many great pieces to choose from, it's every fans individual choice.<img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_yes_new.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby childlikesouldreamer » Mon Nov 25, 2002 1:09 am

qman,

I think AWAKEN is their ultimate concept track because the production is pristine and it has a purity of sound and lyric that typifies YES and Anderson. Someone in this forum once mentioned that every note from start to finish is...a word connoting superlative, I can't remember which one. How true!
I also love TURN OF THE CENTURY, and it must be the best ballad ever written - for me it's even better than all the Beatles ballads, put together!

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Postby bundy » Tue Nov 26, 2002 11:18 pm

Good to see Turn of the Century starting to get a couple of mentions.
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Postby Chris2210 » Tue Nov 26, 2002 11:40 pm

Turn of the Century is certainly one of my favourite songs (Yes does not need to appear in that sentence). Possibly the most perfectly realised song the band ever made (IMO, of course), but perhaps too atypical for me to think of as <b>definitive</b>.
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Postby YesJo » Wed Nov 27, 2002 1:05 am

I think it's Close to the Edge. <img src=pix/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby Megalodon » Wed Nov 27, 2002 8:33 am

Awaken,CTTE,Starship trooper are fantastic.. I also think the song
"Endless Dream" is way too overlooked..Endless dream, in my opinion,
is the most incredible song ever written from any band in years and
years and definately ties for first place with a few other Yes tunes.
"Shoot High Aim Low" is another great one that is kind of overlooked!
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Postby psychopomp95 » Wed Nov 27, 2002 5:03 pm

You and I are gonna get along well, Megadalon! <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

LOL... seriously, though, as much of a YesWest fan as I am, I have to admit that when I hear the name "YES" I think of something from the 70's, simply because I've known them basically as a 70's band for a really long time, and even though I heard 'Owner' a long time ago!

While we're on the topic, though, I would definitely say that if it comes to defining YesWest (who are a fantastic band in their own right), "Lift Me Up", "Endless Dream" and "Shoot High Aim Low" all do the job very nicely! All those songs are powerful, expansive, and pack a wallop without sounding at all like your average heavy rock band (I guess it sounds much 'smarter', is the best way to put it)! And they're very well arranged, to boot!

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Postby EricBliss12345 » Thu Nov 28, 2002 10:10 am

It would have to be "Close To The Edge" without a doubt. It was everything Yes had hoped to achieve, everything they'd been working towards in their formative years. It's just perfect start to finish, perfect intro, perfect introductory themes, perfect middle section, PERFECT grand finale (which sadly was always extremely weak in concert), and the lyrics, although nonsensical at times, reflected a lot of what was going on in the music. "On the hill we viewed the silence of the valley, on to witness cycles only of the past, and we reach all this with movements in between the said remark" Along with being a very moving and climatic way to end the song, it also says quite a bit about the arrangement! I think it's brilliant. <img src=pix/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Plus, this song is the prime example of how to reprise themes in an extended track the right way. Each time they reprised a theme, they brought it back in an unexpected, exciting way. I could also get into neat things like how the fast keyboard part in the intro is the exact same thing as the bass line except in double time (it's nuts how well it fits!)...but I won't be anal. <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

Plus, it has to be the most groundbreaking song in rock and roll ever. Sure, there had been longer pieces before, but they were pretty much just extended pieces with some jamming or an obnoxiously retarded drum solo (In-a-gadda-da-vida) This was the first time (as far as I know) that a band with rock instrumentation wrote music that had more in common with classical music than rock and roll and pulled it off as a rock band.

This song also catches the band in their absolute prime, with the best ever and most diverse contributions from each band member.

I don't even know how anybody could NOT choose this song as their definative song, even if it doesn't happen to be their favorite (I've retired it long ago). Sure Gates Of Delirium is phenominal, but almost too out of character of the Yes mold to be definatve (I always notice that every single time after the battle part, I'm content to not listen to the rest of the song), Tales is too jumbled, and Awaken is fantastic but not diverse enough of a track. As far as the other less big tracks, theres lots of great ones that come very close to being definative for Yes (Starship Trooper, Heart Of The Sunrise) but not quite.

It's got everything Yes was ever about, and as far as I'm concerned, every progressive band has been chasing "Close To The Edge" since it's been released. Some have come very close, but in my opinion, the song is the definative Yes song, the definative progressive rock track, and the definative track in rock music period.
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Postby N2yes » Thu Nov 28, 2002 11:04 am

<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'>Although "To Be Over" is by far my favorite YES tune, I would have to agree that "Close to the Edge" is the most definitive. With so many wonderful and spellbinding songs, I still find this one flawlessly fuses their awesome talents into one fluid, supremely innovative number that cannot and will not ever be matched.</font id='Papyrus'></font id=red><img src=pix/icon_yes_talis.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_yes_yes2.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby IngnoZac » Thu Nov 28, 2002 8:23 pm

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... okay, so we got Gates and Homeworld with the same type of ending... are you trying to say you don't like quiet endings? <img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby Astral traveller » Thu Nov 28, 2002 10:32 pm

<font color=maroon>Close to the edge is the best Yes album IMO. so we have three songs who I believe are all 3 definitive.

But I would pick Siberian Khatru.

I believe this track has even more Yes trademarks then 'Close to the edge'. wich could mean that it's more definitive.
Close to the edge is perhaps better as a song, but SK has it all:

- it's a long uptempo song wich goes through various sections and got some smart rhythm changes
- A beautiful main melody line on Keyboards
- Steve with his intro, then soloing on top of the keys
- complex mid-sections with sometimes 3 different melodys at one time
- Lyrics about nature and animals
- little restpoints in the music with beautiful atmosphere
- typical Steve and Rick solo's.
- the famous multi-vocal 'cha'-like part
- An extended ending

more Yessongs have this, but this one just stands out.
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Postby bundy » Thu Nov 28, 2002 10:37 pm

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This song also catches the band in their absolute prime, with the best ever and most diverse contributions from each band member.

I don't even know how anybody could NOT choose this song as their definative song, even if it doesn't happen to be their favorite (I've retired it long ago). Sure Gates Of Delirium is phenominal, but almost too out of character of the Yes mold to be definatve (I always notice that every single time after the battle part, I'm content to not listen to the rest of the song), Tales is too jumbled, and Awaken is fantastic but not diverse enough of a track. As far as the other less big tracks, theres lots of great ones that come very close to being definative for Yes (Starship Trooper, Heart Of The Sunrise) but not quite.

It's got everything Yes was ever about, and as far as I'm concerned, every progressive band has been chasing "Close To The Edge" since it's been released. Some have come very close, but in my opinion, the song is the definative Yes song, the definative progressive rock track, and the definative track in rock music period.

Well Eric, you make a very good point. When I consider my idea of the definitive lineup, I've got to say you have just about convinced me. In selecting Turn of the Century as the definitive track, the question I asked myself was "if I had to select a track to play to someone who had never heard of Yes and I wanted to show them what Yes are all about in terms of sound, music, lyrics, philosophy etc, what would it be?" I think I'll stand by my choice but after reading your post I'm now not so sure!!
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Postby silentwingsoffreedom » Fri Nov 29, 2002 1:06 am

seems like the thread is splitting into (a)the 'best' ie: your favorite YESsong and (b)the Yessong that most accurately defines the Yessound. A terribly difficult question. Survival is a fantastic song and one of the best early tracks. It sould easily be considered a foundation peice for the ensuing legacy. I would have a hard time calling it either their best or more definitive. (BTW I believe the lyric is 'don't doubt the fact there's Life within you..yesterdays endings will tomorrow's life bring you")
So in my (never) humble opinion their best songs are all of TALES, but the most definitive to their sound and to relate them to the 'non-believers' would have to be either HOTS or AWAKEN
one final note to this and other strings TORMATO is a great album except for the fact it was recorded 'to high' ie to much treble. BUt good lord silent wings is amazing. throw on some headphones and listen to the whole album all the way through it is another gem in the yes artrock crown. peace and music <img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_yes_talis.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_yes_fish1a.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_yes_fish2a.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_yes_fish3b.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby innerPact » Fri Nov 29, 2002 3:24 am

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<b>EricBliss12345 wrote:</b>

...I don't even know how anybody could NOT choose this song as their definative song, even if it doesn't happen to be their favorite (I've retired it long ago)...

...It's got everything Yes was ever about, and as far as I'm concerned, every progressive band has been chasing "Close To The Edge" since it's been released. Some have come very close, but in my opinion, the song is the definative Yes song, the definative progressive rock track, and the definative track in rock music period.
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eric, couldn't agree with you more, including the "retiring" part (much as i hate to admit it). by your definition of "definitive", CTTE is the <u>only</u> choice.

my definition of "definitive" more closely matches bundy's:

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When I consider my idea of the definitive lineup, I've got to say you have just about convinced me. In selecting Turn of the Century as the definitive track, the question I asked myself was "if I had to select a track to play to someone who had never heard of Yes and I wanted to show them what Yes are all about in terms of sound, music, lyrics, philosophy etc, what would it be?" I think I'll stand by my choice but after reading your post I'm now not so sure!!
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from that perspective, i like Bundy's choice of TOTC especially because it was done by my vote for the "definitive" lineup. however my choice for "definitive" would be And You And I for it's majesty and power. i love jon's voice on it and steve's work on the steel guitar is phenomenal. i'm a big Alan White fan but AYAI was recorded during the peak of their creative period (ie, Trooper era) and i think it was my favourite at that time and i haven't tired of it the way i have CTTE and Roundabout.

Siberian Khatru and HOTS are good second choices (again because the original recordings feature 4/5 of my defintive lineup) followed by Starship Trooper and YIND only because the originals do not include Wakeman and White and so, are less "definitive" to me. TFTO and Relayer are acquired tastes and GFTO is too late in the Trooper era for me to consider "definitive".
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