Why do we like Yes so much??



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Why do we like Yes so much??

Postby Megalodon » Wed Dec 11, 2002 8:29 am

I think Yes fans like yes so much because we like creativity,
detail, and lots of color in music.. Just like in the artworld, you
see paintings that are abstract, or not much to them, sometimes
we'll think, they call that art!! Then you will see a very detailed
painting with lots of color and imagination and hard work that went
into it and it will move you to say, Now thats a great piece of
art there with true talent behind it!! Yes' music fits into the
detailed picture with real talent.. So in the artworld I would think
most Yes fans like detailed paintings just like Yes has very detailed
music!!
The more mainstream crowds that like bands like alanis morisette
or nirvana,Bush, or No doubt etc. would probably like the abstract
or simple art paintings that don't mean anything...
Let me put it this way, Yes fans have real taste and know what is
good and what isn't!!
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Postby jackalz » Wed Dec 11, 2002 9:00 am

I don't consider myself mainstream, but I really love Alanis, and I like Nirvana and No Doubt. I never listen to a radio. And 85% of all my listening is <img src=pix/icon_yes_yes.gif border=0 align=middle>. Oh well.

Also, Yes lyrics according to Jon don't necessarily have "meaning" either. He says he goes for tonal quality of lyrics, and he leaves a lot up to each individual listener to interpret their own meaning.

Still, alot of work goes into Yes music, probably way more than the majority of the "mainstream". However, I think you might be missing alot of great music if you judge it. I suggest you keep an open mind to the music you don't appreciate. Because, there is so many options of music, you'll never have time to appreciate it all, but that doesn't mean it is not good or great. It's just not your cup of tea at the moment. With Alanis, though you need to have the lyrics and read them while listening to appreciate the music as it moves.

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Postby OB1kenOB » Wed Dec 11, 2002 9:09 am

as for the YES / art comparison...
one of my favorite artists for the longest time has been a gentleman who's birthday is the same as mine (different year of course).
His work frequently includes the tiniest of details that the casual looker may not catch, or even a fan may not notice apon first viewing. While very capable of creating a nearly photographic straight-forward rendering of anything "real" his best and most interesting work is discribed as "surreal". Some of his work has different layers of viewing, they are scenes of nearly normal looking subjects at first, but on closer inspection one discovers that from a few feet away you see a totally different thing than you do from across the room.
Of course I'm talking about the incomparable Salvador Dali.



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"why do I like YES so much?"
my earliest tastes in music included the sounds of big orchestras, jazz, the layered vocals of the Beach Boys,
I think I found that (and more) all in one place when I found YES.

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Postby Megalodon » Wed Dec 11, 2002 9:46 am

Jackalz, I guess you are right, music is an art form and it is
probably not good to compare. However Yes has integrity to what
they love and do not sell out... Alot of mainstream bands (not all)
do what the record companies want and compromise their integrity
which takes the art form out of it.. Yes would never do that..
I do have an open mind when it comes to music, I like alot of
bands out there and go to many concerts, and I play music myself,
so I'm not cutting myself short...Its sad the record companies
promote such strange sometimes dark and degrading music these days
and the radio stations have to play it..Tom Petty summed it up well
in his song "The Last DJ"...
The tilte track "Corporate America" off of Bostons new cd could
apply to the music industry as well... Compromising integrity for
profit....
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Postby jackalz » Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:35 am

Megaladon,

I like Tom Petty, too, but I think he one of the artists that specifically try to avoid putting too much energy into his songs. I've heard him say he purposely tries to keep it simple.

I hadn't heard that Boston is making new CD's. Do you have it? Do you recommend it? I'm glad to hear they are pushing their creativity, because I thought they used to sound like a corporate music machine.

Many Yes detractors do so from the attitude that Yes are trying too hard, that they are over-producing which takes away from the creativity. So it's all opinion, but I agree that Yes is far and away the most creative and beautiful music I've ever heard. And it keeps getting better with each listen.


OB1,

I really enjoy Dali's paintings. It's amazing how realistic he can paint, but then it goes so abstract at the same time.

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Postby Yesmam » Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:50 am

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<b>jackalz wrote:</b>

Also, Yes lyrics according to Jon don't necessarily have "meaning" either. He says he goes for tonal quality of lyrics, and he leaves a lot up to each individual listener to interpret their own meaning.

<hr>Celebrate the moment, as it turns into one more.
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I agree with Jack.

Yes music seems to flow with my life and the meanings of thier songs change as I change. Yes music is timeless, not dated.
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Postby N2yes » Wed Dec 11, 2002 11:12 am

<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'>Hell, it's alright to make comparisons in both music and artwork. Don't think for a second otherwise. I mean, to me, Dali is a surrealist ( and a damn good one ), but qualitatively, he doesn't come close to Rembrandt. You see, it's these differences in perspectives and opinions that make us individuals. I love Alanis's music, very talented young lady. However, I believe she is unique in having that crossover quality making her the exception in mainstream. Much of what you say, Megaladon, I agree with regarding talent. YES epitomizes raw talent woven into something truly magical and singular in sound. Most of what is heard on contemporary radio is terribly devoid of such commanding talent.

For me, I love YES because they can both sing to my soul and drive me like no other. Sounds corny, I know but it's true. Songs like "To Be Over" provide me with an audio 'glimpse of just what sounds God himself may favor once passing through the Pearly Gates. "Sound Chaser" reveals a YES unleashed with power and polish. "And You And I" shows the softer side of YES, a marriage between the spiritual and the romantic. Since this thread is really not new, I'm gonna be sure to go back and see how far I've deviated from my original response. </font id='Papyrus'></font id=red><img src=pix/icon_yes_talis.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_yes_yes2.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby Stoutman » Wed Dec 11, 2002 12:33 pm

I lke Yes for the simple fact it`s well played and well-thought out. They put a lot of time and energy into putting together music. also, their sound is unusual and unique.
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Postby Squire*Fan725 » Wed Dec 11, 2002 12:37 pm

<font face='Tempus Sans ITC'><font size=4><font color=blue><b>What Stout said!!<img src=pix/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle></b></font id=blue></font id=size4></font id='Tempus Sans ITC'>
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Postby every1is1 » Wed Dec 11, 2002 2:11 pm

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I like Boston's music. They are one of my absolute favorite bands. I particularly like their last 3 albums: 3rd Stage, Walk On, and their new one, Corporate America. Boston has a great signature guitar sound and solid producing by Tom Scholz! While their music is a notch simpler than Yes', the enjoyability isn't IMO. Like Yes, Boston has the talent and niche of making music that is truly enjoyable to listen to. It's why I like Yes music and its also why I like other bands, including: U2, Depeche Mode, Santana, The Fixx, and Creed.
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Postby halman » Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:09 pm

If Yes were a painter I think they'd be in the Impressionist school,rather than Surrealist...
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Postby Megalodon » Thu Dec 12, 2002 2:55 am

Jackalz, Bostons new cd is good but it is something very different
from what boston fans are used to.. There are 3-4 tracks that are
strong while the rest of the cd grows on you with a few listens..
It is called corporate america... Walk on is their most underrated
album probably because it lacks brad delp on the vocals, but it still
rocks and is a avery solid album and Delp did tour that album with
them in 95 and 97.. Well said about Boston every1is1!!!
Any way, this is a Yes site so I better not go off the beaten
path too much.
Oh and N2yes, and jackalz, I apologise about speaking of Alanis
in a negative light!! Peace
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Postby KEVIN2112 » Thu Dec 12, 2002 2:59 am

Why do I like Yes so much? Because of the greatness of Trevor Rabin. While guys like Squire, Anderson, Howe and Wakeman are basically a bunch of hacks, Rabin is a multi-talented individual and the number one reason why Yes is where they are today. <img src=pix/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby jackalz » Thu Dec 12, 2002 3:01 am

Mega,

There's no need to apologize for stating an opinion. Thanks for the Boston update. That might be my next purchase.
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Postby Megalodon » Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:14 am

Jackals, is your quote "Celebrate the moment, as it turns into one
more" from the new Rush song "One Little Victory" off of Vapor Trails
cd?? Great song!!
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Postby YesJo » Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:49 am

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<b>KEVIN2112 wrote:</b>
Why do I like Yes so much? Because of the greatness of Trevor Rabin. While guys like Squire, Anderson, Howe and Wakeman are basically a bunch of hacks, Rabin is a multi-talented individual and the number one reason why Yes is where they are today. <img src=pix/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Not quite. I love Yes because they speak to me in ways that other music can't. Consistently, over and over again, it never gets old, I always find something new even in the oldest of songs. It is beautiful music to me and that is why I love it.
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Postby fragilesi » Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:59 am

I don't think that I could put it better than YesJo did . . . this music is the stuff of pure inspiration, it's so fantastic that this wonderful group of musicians somehow came together and the chemistry worked out so that they produced this wonderful wonderful music.

As for the art connection I don't think that I fall into this category. I've never really thought about what my favourite picture might be and I think that <i>Close to the Edge</i> could be it. Simply because it fired my imagination - and what do I know seeing as it's just about the one painting Dean wants to do again because he wasn't happy with it!

Then again Chris (2210) sent me a drawing he'd done in his dim and distant past which while simple set me thinking about what it might mean for a while. I'm sure Chris wouldn't want to claim it as art, it's more personal to him but it had me thinking longer than most of the masters ever have. Maybe that's because I knew a tiny bit more about the guy that painted it and Yestalk had offered me a window into his mind. The painting was the same mind from a different time and perspective.

Maybe I'm just strange? (there is no need to answer that one).

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Postby tribute1969 » Thu Dec 12, 2002 5:38 am

<font face='Times New Roman'><font color=green>"BECAUSE IT'S GOT A GOOD BEAT AND IT'S EASY TO DANCE TO, I GIVE IT A 95!"</font id=green></font id='Times New Roman'>

<font face='Trebuchet MS'><font color=maroon>SIMPLE, UNLESS YOU'VE NEVER BEEN IN LOVE BEFORE, IT'S JUST LIKE THAT FEELING WHEN YOU DO FALL IN LOVE AND YOU CAN'T GET ENOUGH OF "IT" SO YOU'RE ALWAYS SEEKING "IT" WHILE ON THIS WONDERFUL WONDERFUL JOURNEY & ADVENTURE!! (Man, I am starting to "sound" just like JON!?) YOU MAY STRAY OR GET LOST FOR A WHILE MUSICALLY(who among us didn't like Fleetwood Mac at some point, but I've "recovered" now thank you very much) BUT YOU ALWAYS RETURN TO YOUR NESTING PLACE OR "HOMEWORLD"-couldn't resist that one</font id=maroon></font id='TrebuchetMS'>

<font face=Stencil><font color=limegreen>HOW'S THAT FOR HIPPY-SPEAK 101??
</font id=limegreen></font id=Stencil>

<font face='Trebuchet MS'><font color=teal>EVEN THOUGH I WAS MOSTLY SERIOUS ABOVE .."IT" REALLY "HAPPENED FOR ME" AT MY VERY "FIRST TIME" OF SEEING YES LIVE!.... THE YESSONGS CONCERT!! I REALLY WAS NOT A "BIG-TIME FAN" YET, I HAD A COUPLE OF THE ALBUMS, LISTENED TO THEM DO "ROUNDABOUT" ON THE RADIO, ETC AND WAS GOING TO SEE JUST ANOTHER GOOD SHOW, I THOUGHT!! IT WAS "THE GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH" TO ME THAT NIGHT AND STILL IS TO THIS DAY IF YOU CAN'T TELL. MAYBE THE MUSHROOMS HAVEN'T WORN OFF EITHER!! IN EITHER CASE..................
IT HAS "SEVERAL" GOOD BEATS TO IT AND IS EXTREMELY GOOD TO DANCE TO!!!I ACTUALLY WOULD GIVE IT A 100 (IF IT WEREN'T FOR THAT DRAMA ALBUM) JUST TEASING-THIS THREAD IS ALL ABOUT PEACE AND LOVE!!I HOPE!

THANKS GUYS FOR THE "TRIP"</font id=teal></font id='TrebuchetMS'>

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Postby every1is1 » Thu Dec 12, 2002 10:03 am

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
<b>Megaladon wrote:</b>
the new Rush song "One Little Victory" off of Vapor Trails
cd?? Great song!!
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Yeah, that's another good release in the past year. "1 Little Victory" rocks! I also like: "Peaceable Kingdom" "The Stars Look Down" and "Secret Touch" off of that album.
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Postby Vulcan 1 » Thu Dec 12, 2002 10:34 am

I think Yes music appeals to our creative side, our spiritual side, our hopeful side, and our emotional side. (That makes a lot of sides)

I have listened to many types of music, and have a lot of artists I like, but have not found any group of musicians that touches me like Yes does. It seems to touch my very soul and spirit.

Is it rock and roll? YES. Is it classical,symphonic? YES Is it emotional and rousing and theatrical? YES Is it spiritual? YES

Yes music is a truly universal language of hope and love and harmony. I know that sounds like I am laying it on thick, and maybe I am, but I have been very grateful to God for reminding me of this music 3 years ago when I was going through some very dark times-it is one of the things that got me through, and has brought a tremendous amount of joy to my heart.

The fact that it rocks does not hurt either!

Have a great one everybody!
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Postby N2yes » Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:03 am

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<b>Megaladon wrote:</b>
Oh and N2yes, and jackalz, I apologise about speaking of Alanis
in a negative light!! Peace
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<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'>Megaladon, no need for an apology. You are amongst friends here, most of which understand that individuality often generates a difference of opinion and is respected as such.

No problems here my friend.<img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle></font id=red></font id='Papyrus'>

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Postby theproffet » Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:38 pm

<font color=blue>Wow Megaldon, great idea for a posting, and glad to meet ya!

I recently had to explain why everything from the first album until Mag takes up an enormous space on my shelves . . . several feet of CD space. A guest came over, and I thought of a line by W.C. Fields . . . Fields was talking about sex, but I like to paraphrase it . . .

"There may be some things better than Yes, and many things worse than Yes, but there is nothing else exactly quite like it . . ."

So the unique quality of Yes gets to me . . . there is nothing else like it . . .

On the artistic end, I'm more language than visually oriented--I think that the best of Yes stands up with William Burroughs or John Ashberry. The level of verbal abstaction can get very high. Rock critics can't handle that, but . . . they're better off at low-brow things anyway, right?

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Postby Nigel » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 pm

YES music is spiritual in nature and YESfans really like that. But it is a very accessible kind of spiritual sound. Other spiritual modern music is not so accessible as YES music. This appeal of YEs might be explained by the poppy edge of YES music, and the fact that YES music (apart from the darker edge of GATES, and the more plodding moments of TALES) is very bright in nature. Bright and colourful. Ideally, we would all want life to be like that. Music, I'm sure we are all agreed, is a temporary escape from the mundanity of it all. What a bright, warm, happy, joyful escape listening to YES music really is!

Maybe YES offers the best of two world's: spiritual without being sombre, but poppy without being fatuous. The spirituality of YES is not openly stated, not in the lyrics at any rate, where they are vague enough not to have to 'listen out' for some great spiritual message. Though this could be argued that this is what is lacking, and some have in this forum, it allows the listener to focus on the sheer positive FEEL of the spirituality without getting involved in 'deep' messages. Contrast this with the more spiritual lyrics of Santana; albums (though great in my view) like Caravanserai and Welcome, are lyrically really straining to get that spiritual message across. Anderson's lyrics flow with a carefree ease that only he can deliver.

I've argued recently that YES should have stuck with the harder edge forged on RELAYER. But, if they'd stuck with that too long I'd have been disappointed. The sheer colourful spirituality of YES music, created and typified largely by the current classic line-up, is IMO central to the appeal of YES.
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Postby Chris2210 » Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:31 pm

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<b>KEVIN2112 wrote:</b>
Why do I like Yes so much? Because of the greatness of Trevor Rabin. While guys like Squire, Anderson, Howe and Wakeman are basically a bunch of hacks, Rabin is a multi-talented individual and the number one reason why Yes is where they are today. <img src=pix/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Who could possibly argue with that Kevin, except of course you forgot to say "over-rated hacks".
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Postby Chris2210 » Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:36 pm

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<b>fragilesi wrote:</b>
Then again Chris (2210) sent me a drawing he'd done in his dim and distant past which while simple set me thinking about what it might mean for a while. I'm sure Chris wouldn't want to claim it as art, it's more personal to him but it had me thinking longer than most of the masters ever have. Maybe that's because I knew a tiny bit more about the guy that painted it and Yestalk had offered me a window into his mind. The painting was the same mind from a different time and perspective.

Maybe I'm just strange? (there is no need to answer that one).

Simon.
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Damn, I knew I'd left that window open, and me taking a bath.<img src=pix/icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>

That's seriously flattering, especially considering the ropey execution of that image. But maybe it was just good exercise for that psychologist in you struggling to get out (now that is seriously worrying).<img src=pix/salook.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby Chris2210 » Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:53 pm

As for why I like Yes so much, I think it's simply because more of their music profoundly moves and inspires me more frequently than any other rock band. Whilst I would resist directly ascribing that to any sympathy I might have for the spiritual standpoint members of the band have, the devotion and commitment that represents, is probably underpinning the powerful force and integrity of the music. I will always be grateful for that.

I think of it in a similar way to Bruckner's symphonic work - they're essentially depictions in large part of his conception of the majesty, mystery and awe of his (Roman Catholic) God. I'm an agnostic, and I cannot conceive of a God in his terms, but it doesn't stop me from appreciating the wonder of that music.

There seems to be something of this primal, fundamental expression in the best of Yes music. That's as pitifully close in words as I can come to it.

Oh, and it makes me hum along... badly.<img src=pix/icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby KEVIN2112 » Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:40 am

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<b>Chris2210 wrote:</b>
Who could possibly argue with that Kevin, except of course you forgot to say "over-rated hacks".
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Darn, I knew I left something out! :)

Seriously though, Yes is such an amazing band because of the guys in the band. You could take 5 guys and have them cover Yes's material and it would not sound even remotely as good. No one can duplicate Jon Anderson's amazing vocals. No one can match Chris Squire incredible bass work. No one can duplicate the guitar playing of Yes, whether it be Steve Howe or Trevor Rabin. And their harmonies are the best I have heard in rock music. Even better than the Beatles. Yeah, I kind of like this band...
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Postby Megalodon » Fri Dec 13, 2002 2:36 am

I think Yes has the best harmonies as well,, even more than the
beatles or the beach boys..
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Postby The Yesbabe » Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:45 am

I think I like Yes because I've spent most of my 40 years with 'em. I've been an active fan since I was ten, but listened to them a bit before that (it helped having friends who were four or five years older than I).

I truly believe that when you've spent this kind of time listening to, and enamored with, Yes...the group kinda becomes like your family. You can't really be objective about 'em. They may do things that piss you off, but you love 'em anyway because they are your family.

That said, the music's incredible. <img src=pix/silly.gif border=0 align=middle>

---Anastasia!

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Postby Yesmam » Fri Dec 13, 2002 10:47 am

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<b>tribute1969 wrote:</b>
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EXcuse me tribute, but Fleetwood Mac was "of my era" of music and I have always LOATHED them!<img src=pix/icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle>
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