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Postby floweringtheedge » Fri Dec 13, 2002 2:41 am

what if jon steve chris alan rick quit (in the year 2040)?! I think there should still be a band called yes still playing the music to everyone who wants to listen and still work on the vision in yes music. Once i thought it was jons idea to bring billy and igor into the band to "grow them" to do that once in time. i can't imagine living without a band called yes.
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Postby TenVoices » Fri Dec 13, 2002 3:41 am

It would be interesting to see the band evolve members and continue past the Howe/Squire/Anderson era, but I think we've seen the fruits of that attempt. Honestly, I don't think the current members identify enough of that "vision" with younger musicians. I am proud their own commitment has blossomed into the post 2000 time frame, but once Yes decides to fade it will be time.
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Postby YesJo » Fri Dec 13, 2002 4:40 am

I have to agree with you Ten Voices. When they are finished, they are finished and we can rest knowing they have made so much music for us and they can rest knowing they have created such a beautiful body of work.
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Postby guilddigger » Fri Dec 13, 2002 5:57 am

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i find it hard to believe that the fans (us) would accept a band called yes without the original members. it has been tried before and there's always some side of the fan flock that will object loudly. we have already a whole variety of billy bashers, rabin haters, horn ridiculers, downes down-putters among us. the list goes on.
what can possibly be accepted is that when yes one day is dead and buried, tribute bands play yes music the way symphony orchestras play the old masters classics. that's goes well with the way i look at it, which is that yes music is nothing but modern classical music, clothed in rock sounds.

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Postby Dr_Yes » Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:59 am

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i find it hard to believe that the fans (us) would accept a band called yes without the original members. it has been tried before and there's always some side of the fan flock that will object loudly. we have already a whole variety of billy bashers, rabin haters, horn ridiculers, downes down-putters among us. the list goes on.
what can possibly be accepted is that when yes one day is dead and buried, tribute bands play yes music the way symphony orchestras play the old masters classics. that's goes well with the way i look at it, which is that yes music is nothing but modern classical music, clothed in rock sounds.

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Postby Vulcan 1 » Fri Dec 13, 2002 10:03 am

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What can possibly be accepted is that when yes one day is dead and buried, tribute bands play yes music the way symphony orchestras play the old masters classics. that's goes well with the way i look at it, which is that yes music is nothing but modern classical music, clothed in rock sounds.
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You said it all-that is exactly how I would see it. I often wondered how they would feel if one of the great composers of old travelled forward in time and saw their music still being enjoyed in a concert hall-they would realise all of their struggling to create such art was worth it!
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Postby every1is1 » Fri Dec 13, 2002 10:58 am

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i can't imagine living without a band called yes.
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Yeah, I know what you mean. We can only hope they have at least another decade or two in them. While it seems unlikely, who knows?

In any event, we'll eventually have to face the fact that all good things come to an end. However, that doesn't mean that goodness has to come to an end. Just as Yes has been able to create beautiful music, that same potential is a matter of human spirit, and it is out there to be tapped again by some new band just waiting to knock your socks off. All I can say is don't close the doors to new music.
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Postby IngnoZac » Fri Dec 13, 2002 11:57 am

Okay, but Steve, Chris and Jon grew so much musically during the past 30 years, that I fear they will stand up listening to someone discovering new ways of music like they did in the 70's (mainly, that is). But for some reason, I don't think Steve would get a young guitar player with tons of fx (remember YinD solo in YesSongs?) to jam with and pass some 'prog cliches' to him.

Find a new Jon? Almost impossible...

Chris? Yeah, *I* could replace Chris. I think he's the one that could have some kind of replacement (please, don't argue with me, because you all think he hasn't). But to be a bass player like Chris, you don't have to know the secrets of playing gregorian modes or chromatisms over tetra-chords... you know? He's more about pentatonic scales (the kind of thing you learn in your 3 first guitar lessons) and some feeling. This great timbre you get from some equip you got years ago and boom... you're there.

The main secret behind him is that, not like the other bass players, he doesn't play the tonic for the chords the guitarist/keyboardist is playing - he solos. And he solos like a guitar player. That's the diference. If you give him a guitar, maybe there's Jimmy Page, maybe there's Ritchie Blackmore.

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Postby every1is1 » Fri Dec 13, 2002 1:02 pm

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Chris? Yeah, *I* could replace Chris. I think he's the one that could have some kind of replacement...The main secret behind him is that, not like the other bass players, he doesn't play the tonic for the chords the guitarist/keyboardist is playing - he solos. And he solos like a guitar player. That's the diference. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

OK, so you can find another average bass player, but can they take that role, that so important role of solo on bass? I think not.
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Postby sound_chaser » Fri Dec 13, 2002 6:44 pm

But can you replace Chris Squire? He has been the one constant throughout the bands extraordinary career! If anyone in Yes is irreplaceable, it’s probably The Fish! And Squire’s bass contribution is much more than just about his playing and his sound. It’s also about his attitude; he lives and breathes Yes, and to my mind, he as much anyone, is the epitome of Yes music!

It’s an interesting thought though, Yes carrying on into the future? One thing’s for sure, we’ll find out in the next few years; one member of the band is bound to retire and then we will see if there is anybody out there! If things had worked out differently, Igor would probably still be in the band! Only time will tell (pun intended!) if there is anybody else capable of filling the shoes of our heroes! At the moment though, as the band currently enjoy no more than cult-status, it’s debatable whether the band has a future outside of its current members. And also, if the band themselves are unwilling to showcase too much of their new material live, what hope would young upstarts have? Yes at the moment are too much of their own tribute band for my liking; I mean, I love the classics, but it’s about time they showed a bit more faith in what they’re currently producing!

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Postby Chris2210 » Fri Dec 13, 2002 8:16 pm

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i find it hard to believe that the fans (us) would accept a band called yes without the original members. it has been tried before and there's always some side of the fan flock that will object loudly. we have already a whole variety of billy bashers, rabin haters, horn ridiculers, downes down-putters among us. the list goes on.
what can possibly be accepted is that when yes one day is dead and buried, tribute bands play yes music the way symphony orchestras play the old masters classics. that's goes well with the way i look at it, which is that yes music is nothing but modern classical music, clothed in rock sounds.

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I've been struggling with these concepts for a bit and here it is - simply and eloquently stated. Hats off, Tom.
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Postby floweringtheedge » Fri Dec 13, 2002 8:41 pm

i agree they should more concentrate on their developing in sound (if they even want to)than to ride on the classics. I wonder why great songs like universal garden were not played live. the symphonic tour surely was the right place to celebrate the classics as well as the masterworks tour that had a unique character (even in playing).
The classic tour is a tribute to their reunion with rick i think. Now it's time to develop the sound and to do another revolution to art rock. I was not talking about a reblacement of our heroes it should be a proces that sound develops and new members come in "automaticly".
open your eyes was a great album i think and a step into the direction they should go to. I don't know what i should think about the ladder.
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Postby fragilesi » Fri Dec 13, 2002 10:14 pm

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The main secret behind him is that, not like the other bass players, he doesn't play the tonic for the chords the guitarist/keyboardist is playing - he solos. And he solos like a guitar player. That's the diference. If you give him a guitar, maybe there's Jimmy Page, maybe there's Ritchie Blackmore.

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Renato, that's a good summary, I feel the same about Geddy Lee and it's no coincidence that they are my favourite two bass players. I think that both can be respectably imitated, certainly more easily than Anderson or Howe can but there's a big difference between being able to imitate the sound and being able to combine it with the live performance and composition of original music.

It'll be no surprise that I think that tribute bands can carry this music on and more than one member of Yes has intimated such. Having watched the pleasure that Fragile have brought to thousands and thousands of people I have no doubt of it.

As others have mentioned they are the orchestras carrying on with the music and long may they last.

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Postby IngnoZac » Sat Dec 14, 2002 12:33 am

Give me the opportunity to play with Howe/Anderson/White(Bruf, now that Chris' gone)/Wakeman and I'll show ya.

I mean, I did make those comments about Chris' sound... I didn't want to go over stage presence/etc... Take any bass player from the modern bands... the kind of person that makes their fan not know what a bass is. They just keep playing this same note for 3 bars. It's ugly, it's horrible, it's disgusting. While Chris would probably put something in the middle, something a guitarist would play. There's his secret.

Also, Chris' fx really make him up front. Being there, he must show HIS work and he knew how to do it: NOT ONLY PLAYING THE TONIC!!! Bass players are limited because they are guitarists.

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Postby N2yes » Sat Dec 14, 2002 11:14 am

<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'>Well now, Chris Squire imitated or even replaced? Surely thou jesteth!! Chris is among a unique set of bass players who have advanced the versatility of the instrument so far as to make it a 'lead' bass whenever the need arises. Along with Mr. Squire are such innovative individuals such as Jack Bruce ( the original lead bassist ), John Paul Jones, Geddy Lee, John Entwistle and Tony Levin. They too, carry signature sounds that have helped the bass go well beyond the instrument one time noted for just simple repetitive 3 note progressions. I think that even though our impressions of Squire's style are basically similar, you still minimize Squire's importance to the sound of YES, Renato. Of all the bassists I've mentioned, none have that melodic yet thunderous, sternum-cracking sound so synonymous with Chris Squire. He cannot be replaced...ever. Should he retire prematurely, the band would implode as a result. As much as I see Jon as being so vital to YES, he has been absent from the proceedings before and the I found the subsequent offerings served most palatable.

However, since the perfect configuration now exist, let us all hope it stays that way for years to come. A YES reborn even from their genes could never hope to capture the majesty we have been so blessed with for all these years. "All things must pass." ( let us pray their music never will )</font id='Papyrus'></font id=red><img src=pix/icon_yes_bird.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby Nigel » Sat Dec 14, 2002 9:01 pm

I agree that Squire is THE bassist for YES, but I think their could feasibly be a YES project without him that would sound interesting. After all, effectively there has been in the form of the ABWH project. While Squire's bass was unfortunately absent, the music is still recognisably YES. To revisit the discussion in another thread momentarily, if DRAMA, 90125 and BG count as YES music, then I'm sure the ABWH project does! Incidentally, I wonder if Rhino will be able to release it as YES as part of the forthcoming reissues.

In reference to N2yes's comment about Jack Bruce inventing lead bass guitar (sorry, still haven't figured out the quoting system), I know that Paul McCartney used a very nice lead (fuzz) bass guitar on Harrison's Think For Yourself, on the Rubber Soul album in 1965. But I don't know if Jack Bruce's work prefigured this. I always thought this was a McCartney/Beatles innovation. Any comments on that matter?

But I wish the bass guitar would be used more in music as a lead instrument. I'm familiar with Geddy Lee/Rush music as well as Squire, but I'd love to hear the bass as lead in a whole range of music.

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Postby IngnoZac » Sun Dec 15, 2002 2:15 am

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<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'>Of all the bassists I've mentioned, none have that melodic yet thunderous, sternum-cracking sound so synonymous with Chris Squire.</font id='Papyrus'></font id=red><img src=pix/icon_yes_bird.gif border=0 align=middle><hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Copying the sound is probably the easiest thing to do, if we are talking about Chris. Having so much stage presence as he does or having such creativity is beyond getting the same timbre. I'm just saying that... aw, hell... just give me a shot in his place and I'll show you all.

And, Entoo, what happened to Bill on the perfect configuration? <img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby N2yes » Sun Dec 15, 2002 8:49 am

<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'>Bill who?</font id='Papyrus'></font id=red> <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby fragilesi » Sun Dec 15, 2002 6:09 pm

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But I wish the bass guitar would be used more in music as a lead instrument. I'm familiar with Geddy Lee/Rush music as well as Squire, but I'd love to hear the bass as lead in a whole range of music.
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Nigel, one guy who I have respect for is Mark King from Level 42. It's a different type of music but his bass playing is funky, energetic and certainly not lacking in talent. He tends to pick a bassline and stick to it rather than soloing around but he stands out for me in the commercial pop world.

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Postby Never Say Trevor Again » Fri Jan 03, 2003 7:47 am

I think the minute Jon leaves its time to call it a day.

The drummer and keyboard player can be filled easily.

As for Howe / Squire , if either of these leave then I think they must be replaced by someone who has a similarly long and respectable history, not just a young gun. (sorry - rabin and sherwood just got right up my handsome nose)

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Howe - Robert Fripp

Squire - Levin definitely did a good job on the ABWH album
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Postby Astral traveller » Fri Jan 03, 2003 9:00 am

<font color=maroon>Anderson/Squire/White. these are the 3 you need in the band.

That's the core Yes. if one of these 3 decides to leave, It's over.

I don't think the band (particularly Chris) would even think about getting a new drummer (Alan's been in the band for soooo long and never left)

Chris can't be replaced, neither can Jon at this point in time, that just wouldn't be a good decision.

With all respect, Steve and Rick aren't that import the bands continuity. But the other 3 certainly are.







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