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Postby Relayer » Sat Feb 01, 2003 11:54 pm

The Space Shuttle has broken up over the Dallas Frot Worth area around 9 this morning, .....

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Postby Stoutman » Sun Feb 02, 2003 12:53 am

I remember well the Janaury 28, 1986 Challenger disaster. This is like a re-run, except it`s in reverse. It was coming back to earth. The situation lokks pretty grim , to say the least. My heart goes out to all the family members concerned.
I doubt it`s the work of terrorism; it`s not the first time the USA has had a faulty shuttle as witnessed withthe `86 incident.
It`s time to say enough with sendiing people up to space. What`s being done up there that is so vital that we have to spend money and risk lives when the U.S.A. has enough problems domestically, never mind internationally
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Postby N2yes » Sun Feb 02, 2003 1:06 am

<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'>I haven't totally ruled out a terrorist act though it would seem highly improbable at this time. The Challenger disaster happened on my birthday those many years ago but it is still very fresh in my mind. Just imagine the joy in the streets of Gaza with the Palestinians wildly celebrating the death of yet another Jew. Sick isn't it?

Stout, you have my profound respect regarding your opinion on the matter, but on this one, I say with all the setbacks we've endured, our strength will be determined by our will to get back on our feet and soar to the heavens. I firmly believe it is our destiny to explore space.

My deepest and most sincere apologies go out to those grieving families, some of which must surely have had their children watching the descent along with their mothers. </font id='Papyrus'></font id=red><img src=pix/icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby Vulcan 1 » Sun Feb 02, 2003 2:11 am

OH God, Why?

I could not believe it when I turned on the news this morning. Such a tragedy, I wanted so badly for it to not be true. I know Columbia is the oldest of the shuttles, but it essentially was rebuilt in a long overhaul some time ago. What could have happened?


I remember distinctly 17 years ago-incidently also the last week in January!-Working at the Air and Space museum in DC, with a lot of others watching the Challenger flight "Teacher in Space" lift off on a big screen and seeing it blow up in front of us. Sheer disbelief then and now.

All I can say is that from meeting several astronauts over the last few years,and having two family members that worked for NASA during the 80's, everyone we met that was connected with this program believed in it with their whole being, were absolutely exalted at the thought they were involved with exploring space, and felt it was a necessity for this country to continue on. Who am I to argue with that belief?

I can only extend condolences to the families, and hope the investigators get the answers quickly. I have been playing "Soon" and "Onward" all morning and shedding tears. It seems to help.

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Postby fragilesi » Sun Feb 02, 2003 2:43 am

It's very sad, I just saw it on the news here. I have to say though that when you consider the sheer enormity of the challenge that spaceflight presents NASA does a pretty amazing job. I just hope it's not proven to be down to something so avoidable this time.

But N2 . . .

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Just imagine the joy in the streets of Gaza with the Palestinians wildly celebrating the death of yet another Jew. Sick isn't it? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

I'll have to pull you up on this one, it's not right. There are plenty of decent people in Palestine who will be sad about this. Even though it pales into insignificance in the face of the tragedy that is the Palestinian situation. This many innocents die there every week or so without even taking deliberate risks. Prejudice like this will always be a barrier to achieving a genuine lasting peace.

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Postby guilddigger » Sun Feb 02, 2003 2:55 am

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i don't know what to say. this is such a tragedy.
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Postby bi-polar bear » Sun Feb 02, 2003 3:21 am

The really sad thing is that the media and certainly most likely the bush administration will attempt some political hay out of this incident as they do everything....sad times for this space shuttle and sad times for the USA<img src=pix/icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby N2yes » Sun Feb 02, 2003 3:27 am

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
<b>fragilesi wrote:</b>
But N2 . . .
I'll have to pull you up on this one, it's not right. There are plenty of decent people in Palestine who will be sad about this. Even though it pales into insignificance in the face of the tragedy that is the Palestinian situation. This many innocents die there every week or so without even taking deliberate risks. Prejudice like this will always be a barrier to achieving a genuine lasting peace.

Simon.
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<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'>Your point is well taken, Simon.<img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle></font id=red></font id='Papyrus'>

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Postby leqin » Sun Feb 02, 2003 3:33 am

Sad and terrible news and made even worse because, if I am right, there are actually 3 more astronauts on the space station at the moment and shuttle would have brought them back, so NASA's got a big problem looming.

My thoughts and prayers go out to all those involved, especially the familys of these seven very brave people.

Man is a natural explorer and, ever since we as a race stepped down out of the tree's, we've been pokeing our nose into places to find out what things are and what they do and placing our lives at risk at the same time. Would this stop me going up into space? - I once had a massive arguement with my elder brother because I said that if there was anything I wanted to do then it was fly the shuttle and be in space, maybe because I am a massive sci-fi fan also; he reckoned you would have to be stupid to pace your life at risk .... but .... well this wouldn't stop me and neither will it stop mankind because the only way to guarentee the human races future is to be not only on this planet, but on other planets also.
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Postby P_landon » Sun Feb 02, 2003 3:48 am

There will now be extensive media coverage, of course; but if the government covers up UFO's, as has been said, how will they handle this?
If the FBI and CIA couldn't handle 9-11, then what could have happened out in the Texas fields or Chinese missle control centers, etc., etc.,.
Then again, it could just have been an old defective shuttle.
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Postby fragilesi » Sun Feb 02, 2003 3:57 am

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
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<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'>Your point is well taken, Simon.<img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle></font id=red></font id='Papyrus'>
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And reconciliation such as this could be an enabler to peace<img src=pix/icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>.

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Postby eyesoflove1 » Sun Feb 02, 2003 4:04 am

As a small child I remember vividly the Apolo 1 when it blew up on the launch pad. Back then it was THE BIG thing. My parents had people over for a launch party that night. It was awful. I remember the fear over Apollo 13. That turned out ok. We all then believed we were invincible. I was in nursing school in January of 1986, we watched it over and over again on the tv in the cafeteria during lunch........later in class we had our previously scheduled on death and dying. Today 17 years and 4 days later we are touched by tragedy again.
To the parents,spouses and children who lost their son'sm daughter's and parents I love all I will pray for you and please know that there are people out here who believe that your loved ones saw tyhe face of their creator at the very end.
To the people of this great USA: We are a strong people, we will grieve, we will endure and ultimately we will over come this yet another loss.
To the People of Israel: You are a strong and proud nation of courageous people. My prayers go out to all of you at this time of loss for your country.


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Postby IngnoZac » Sun Feb 02, 2003 5:40 am

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote><b>leqin wrote:</b>
Man is a natural explorer and, ever since we as a race stepped down out of the tree's, we've been pokeing our nose into places to find out what things are and what they do and placing our lives at risk at the same time.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

And that's what amazing about Mankind. I wonder if we kept watching the stars at night, without ever dreaming of planes, and then shuttles and satellites. Space should and will be explored, but I suggest we look around before looking up in the sky. We have enough work to be done down here.

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Postby Relayer » Sun Feb 02, 2003 7:17 am

I think we've become indifferant to the extraordinary tasks that we treat as ordinary. A lot will said and speculated about this for along time to come, I hope calmer heads at these troubled times.

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Postby Astral traveller » Sun Feb 02, 2003 7:23 am

<font color=maroon>A Tragedy!! I was shocked when I saw it. My thoughts go out to the families.</font id=maroon>
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Postby psychopomp95 » Sun Feb 02, 2003 8:08 am

There was also an astronaut from India on the flight.
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Postby N2yes » Sun Feb 02, 2003 8:20 am

<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'>While that is true, Trev, she had immigrated to the U.S. in the eighties I believe and had become an American citizen. What is really interesting is that she had no intention of becoming an astronaut originally. I believe her initial desire was to be a spacecraft engineer/designer.</font id='Papyrus'></font id=red>

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Postby perpetualchanger » Sun Feb 02, 2003 9:36 am

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I am just too choked up about this right now to share my story ... KSC is practically in my back yard. This hit hard.

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Postby YesJo » Sun Feb 02, 2003 10:24 am

There are no words that I can say......
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Postby OB1kenOB » Sun Feb 02, 2003 3:14 pm

tragic indeed.
however...
each space flight is a complicated, sophisticated, and potentially dangerous undertaking. I'm amazed at how we all take for granted that
they run smooth. nasa is incredable.
I hope some politician doesn't use this awful event in a shameful way.

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Postby Dr_Yes » Mon Feb 03, 2003 11:21 pm

Terribly sad news for all involved. My thoughts go out to all the families and friends of those lost . . .
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Postby topographic_drama1980 » Tue Feb 04, 2003 7:02 am

You know, this reminds me of what happened 6 1/2 years ago with the TWA Flight 800 crash. I live in the town of Montoursville, Pennsylvania, the town from which the majority of those people lived, went to work, went to school, hung out with their friends, etc. It was after I finished my 10th grade year when that happened. 21 people that went to Montoursville High School (16 French Club students, 5 chaperones) were killed on their way to France. It wasn't that long after take-off when the plane that departed from JFK airport in NYC exploded and fell into the ocean off of the coast of Long Island. It was a very sad day and as a matter of fact a sad year for the town of Montoursville, PA. Thousands and thousands of people all over the world sent letters, emails, flowers, cards, you name it, to my high school. We still have no goddamn clue why or how the plane had exploded. Ever since the space shuttle crash on Saturday, I haven't been able to get it out of my head what happened several years ago. Just like the shuttle, the Flight 800 crash was shrouded in mystery. Everyone was saying it was a terrorist act or there was a missile flying our way. We don't know the truth ans we don't know if we will ever know the truth. My hearts goes out to the friends and families of the brave that were taken away from this earth. Peace be with them.

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Postby perpetualchanger » Wed Feb 05, 2003 12:04 am

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Ever since the space shuttle crash on Saturday, I haven't been able to get it out of my head what happened several years ago. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

That's perfectly normal, Josh, for something like this to trigger memories of another traumatic event. Unfortunately I know this from long and varied experience.

The launch pads are across the river from where I live, and those of us who didn't live here when Challenger exploded have come to take successful launches and landings for granted. Never again.

I will never forget sitting in a restaurant along the river having breakfast, and someone saying "I think I hear the shuttle coming in" ... all these people ran outside to nothing. You know when the shuttle is coming in, because there are these huge sonic booms that shake your house before you can even see it coming in.

Some people kept saying "it's coming" but I had a feeling it wasn't. I've had that feeling since before it went up.

I worked in the county's emergency operations center prior to this launch. There was a lot of security concerns because of the Israeli astronaut being on board. Each astronaut family had a protective detail of sheriff's deputies assigned to them, and people were sent in before the families were allowed to go into any building that hadn't already been checked.

It was my job to track the families' movements. I had to know all their names, all their faces, when they went to Ron Jon's. And it was all very hush-hush because we didn't have secure radio channels.

At the time, it was a pain in the ass. Tracking people without benefit of a computer, trying to coordinate movements on a whiteboard without things getting erased accidentally and reading people's bad handwriting. And the information wasn't flowing like it should have been. It was a prescription for a headache.

On the third day, one of the lieutenants and I finally came up with a way to track things on the computer, and used a projector to put the computer screen up on the whiteboard. We were quite impressed with ourselves, because nobody else had been able to accomplish this level of organization and clarity of data.

In the midst of building the tracking chart on the computer, I remember thinking, "These guys aren't coming home."

I tried not to dwell on it, and I certainly didn't mention it to anyone because there were people from NASA just a couple of seats away from me. It was just a feeling, after all, and a pretty damn horrible one at that. But I've been right about things like that before; in fact I'm notorious for being so. Not something you like to be thought of being good at!

In hindsight, those three days of headaches were worth it. At least the families got to have a good time with the astronauts before they died, and I contributed to that in a small way.

They said on the news that the Israeli astronaut's 5-year-old daughter said to her mother right after the launch, "I've lost my daddy." I blubbered like a baby when I heard that. How could she have known? How could anyone have known? But it seems somehow that she did. I guess we have our ways of knowing when harm will befall someone we love.

I don't know about anywhere else, but around here the loss of Columbia is still all over the local news. There is all kinds of speculation about what caused the disaster and what will happen to the economy around here. Sometimes you just have to turn the TV off and think about something else; it's overwhelming.

If you live around here, either you work there, or someone you know works there, or you've been to the KSC visitors' center a million times with your family because it's mandatory to go to KSC and Ron Jon's on a Florida vacation. (At least it seems to be mandatory!)

So anyway ... I am OK but don't be surprised if I don't post much for a couple weeks. I've got other things on my mind I have to work through. It makes no sense but maybe I can make my peace with it.


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Postby relayer4u » Wed Feb 05, 2003 10:14 am

<font color=blue>Michele, that's a gut wrencher you have posted there. The feeling of impending doom can weigh very heavy, and when something does happen a person can become engulfed in a deep feeling of depression. I believe you are very tough, if I can be a judge from what I know of your past experiences. I would wager that you will only become stronger from this added emotional pain.

All I can do is send you some well wishes from Nevada knowing that time heals all wounds (though not always completely).

Hang in there.</font id=blue>

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Postby bundy » Wed Feb 05, 2003 11:58 pm

The spirits of the 7 astronauts live on in all of us, where ever we are. It is the human spirit that seeks to explain the unexplained, understand the unknown, to look to the stars and dream and to leave this earth and fly with the birds.

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