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Call Me a Heretic, but.....

Postby N2yes » Wed Apr 02, 2003 2:19 pm

<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'>I realize this smells of heresy, but what are some of the more negative observations regarding YES that you've heard? I'll start things off here with one I've heard far too often..."I just can't stand his voice...you know, what's his name. He sounds like a girl."</font id='Papyrus'></font id=red>

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Postby fragilesi » Wed Apr 02, 2003 3:58 pm

You're a heretic butt<img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle>.

My wife calls Jon "Old Squeaky Pants", enough said.

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Postby psychopomp95 » Wed Apr 02, 2003 4:42 pm

My sister always calls Yes' music "pretentious crap"! <img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle> That's about it, really... most other people I know either don't know of Yes, or if they do then they like them at least a little bit!
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Postby Chris2210 » Wed Apr 02, 2003 7:06 pm

Pretentious, hippy-dippy, arty-farty, incomprehensible, out of touch, self-indulgent, self-important, squeaky, cacaphonous, jumbled, meandering, vague, boring old wankers.

<img src=pix/icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> My other half's attitude when she's feeling <i>kindly</i> disposed. Enough heresy for you.

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Postby guilddigger » Wed Apr 02, 2003 8:53 pm

<font face='Comic Sans MS'>the reviewer of symphonic concert called jon 'a clown who takes himself too seriously'!



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Postby YesJo » Wed Apr 02, 2003 11:07 pm

Most people I know liked them in the 70's and think they are "washed" up and I'm living in the past. <img src=pix/icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle> Boo Hiss to them.
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Postby ycantibu » Thu Apr 03, 2003 12:57 am

Being a YesWest fan for the most part, I sometimes hear references to 'prettyboy', 'leatherpants', etc. I also hear the usual 'pretentious wankers' and complaints of 'but the words don't make sense!' of course.

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Postby gtrpir8 » Thu Apr 03, 2003 1:10 am

I've had numerous friends who felt that YES music lacked emotion, and focused too much on instrumental virtuosity at the expense of emotion, and that the lyrics were just plain weird. One of the singers in my church band was bothered by not hearing a vocal for several minutes after a song was intro'ed; she thought the music was good, but too long and not enough vocal was present.

My wife of 18 years does prefer less complicated music. My 6 year old son use to roll his eyes when I played YES music in the truck, but after seeing YESSymphonic, he's developed an appreciation for Roundabout and Owner - hey it's a start! My 6 month old daughter seems to enjoy what little YES I can play for her on my guitar, so maybe I'll have one family convert!
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Postby TaterMouse » Thu Apr 03, 2003 1:48 am

I've always managed to brainwash my mother into liking what I like. But somehow, the Yes thing never flew. She just couldn't learn to like them. So, in light of this post, I called her and asked her what she really disliked about them. She said she can't get past Jon Anderson's voice. "It's just not... pleasing to the ear" she said as nicely as possible.

Having said that, I recall being a teenager and watching her dance around the kitchen to "It Can Happen" She does a little better with the Rabinized stuff for whatever reason, but she really doesn't care for it because of Jon's voice. Proof positive is that she really liked Rabin's "Can't Look Away" She enjoyed a few tracks off of Squire's solo album and being a pianist she truly loves Rick Wakeman's stuff. It's just Jon's voice. You either love him or hate him.

I understand loosely because when I first got into Yes I couldn't stand Jon's voice. I liked Trevor's. But time has, of course, changed me and now there's nothing I love more than Jon's voice.

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Postby P_landon » Thu Apr 03, 2003 5:51 am

Well...... play someone UNION and you'll be sure to get a gag-me-with-a-spoon response<img src=pix/salook.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby Ed1909 » Thu Apr 03, 2003 6:16 am

I feel it's definitely Jon's voice that a lot of folks don't get.

"Choirboy on acid" is one description that I read somewhere that sticks in the mind!

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Postby IngnoZac » Thu Apr 03, 2003 10:54 am

God, are you sure that there are people out there who DON'T like Jon's voice? Damn... how can they?

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Postby guilddigger » Thu Apr 03, 2003 1:50 pm

<font face='Comic Sans MS'>those are people who have no idea music doesn't have to be shouted, screamed or moaned to have emotion.
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Postby N2yes » Thu Apr 03, 2003 3:32 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
<b>fragilesi wrote:</b>
You're a heretic butt<img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle>.
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<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'><img src=pix/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> touche!</font id=red></font id='Papyrus'>

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Postby fragilesi » Thu Apr 03, 2003 3:56 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
<b>N2yes wrote:</b>
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
<b>fragilesi wrote:</b>
You're a heretic butt<img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle>.
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'><img src=pix/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> touche!</font id=red></font id='Papyrus'>

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Postby fragilesi » Thu Apr 03, 2003 4:01 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
<b>guilddigger wrote:</b>
<font face='Comic Sans MS'>those are people who have no idea music doesn't have to be shouted, screamed or moaned to have emotion.
</font id='Comic Sans MS'>
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

You are soooo right, but I do think that it is Jon that puts many people off at the start. I think that some people are capable of accepting things from outside the norm, others aren't. Having said that my ratio of new music listened to versus old is diminishing these days so maybe I've found my "norm".

It's a norm I'm very happy with though!

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Postby Squire*Fan725 » Thu Apr 03, 2003 4:03 pm

<font face='Papyrus'><font size=3><font color=blue><b>"A bunch of washed-up has-beens".</b>-Hubby.

Which just goes to show what a hypocrite he can be when he's actually AT a <img src=pix/icon_yes_yes.gif border=0 align=middle>show, and enjoys himself!

The worst he's said about Anderson's voice is that <b>"He sounds like he's got his nuts in a vice!"</b></font id=blue></font id=size3></font id='Papyrus'>
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Postby YesJo » Thu Apr 03, 2003 10:51 pm

I've never known anyone to say anything negative about Jon's voice, in fact most people I have heard speak of Yes has been in a positive vein, but like I said before, in the past. Most people around here have an appreciation of Jon's voice, much like they can appreciate Geddy Lee's voice but not care to purchase and listen to it.

As for my husband, I can take him being the conservative Repulican that he is, but if he didn't like Jon's voice, that man would HAVE to go!!!!<img src=pix/icon_smile_angry2.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby Dr_Yes » Thu Apr 03, 2003 11:09 pm

Gosh so many criticisms from so many people, it's hard to know where to start. <img src=pix/icon_smile_disapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>

I grew up in the punk/modern romantic phase so I not surprisingly suffered the whole 'pretentious crap' phrase, even though most didn't know what the word meant. Lots of 'it's boring - why can't they write a song that's three minutes long'. Plus accusations of being pointless hippies abounded. And lots of comments from those who didn't like Anderson's voice.

These days I don't care if people don't like it. Back then I was extremely vocal in supporting them and rose to the bait if people had a dig. The sad thing was practically no one seemed to voice an original thought as to why they didn't like it. It was as if the music press of the late 70s had inculcated them into thinking Yes must be crap because they said it was. They've a lot to answer for those hacks.

But maybe I tried too hard as it's surprising now how many of my friends have mellowed towards the band and have grown to like the soundscapes and the writing which doesn't bang on about sex (as it were) or talk about love.
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Postby bi-polar bear » Fri Apr 04, 2003 1:10 am

Jon Anderson is a top end Irish tenor, no biggie. It's just a voice that people find out of context for a "rock" band.

When people find things to be out of their box, they denigrate them. It's all they know how to do.

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Postby OB1kenOB » Fri Apr 04, 2003 2:07 pm

my wife borrows a phrase from the film Amadeus
"too any notes"
she thinks YES music is too busy

negative comments I hear from others usually doesn't concern
any particular song, in fact they usually say something like
"oh I liked ...
) roundabout
) all good people
) close to the edge
) owner of a lonely heart"

but then they say something like
"they are not still together are they?"

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Postby yeskat » Fri Apr 04, 2003 2:17 pm

Luckily, most of my friends like Yes, my husband is a fan. I have one friend who could take them or leave them. She told me once that she doesn't like to have to "think too much" while listening to music. I think she meant that music shouldn't be so complicated.

My daughter told me she finds their music "sometimes annoying." This was after I played "Gates of Delerium" at high volume. She prefers "Owner", of course!<img src=pix/icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby N2yes » Fri Apr 04, 2003 2:48 pm

<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'>Personally, I grow weary of all those negative comments about Sire Squire...you know, like, "That bass is just too intricate" or "He's entirely too slow" and let's not forget the nearly universal observation, "Wow, that Rickenspanker generates a really nauseating sound doesn't it?"</font id='Papyrus'></font id=red>

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Postby sound_chaser » Fri Apr 04, 2003 3:58 pm

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<b>Dr_Yes wrote:</b>


They've a lot to answer for those hacks.

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Postby Aventure » Sat Apr 05, 2003 12:41 am

things I have heard:

"That's a man singing?"
"He's a sloppy guitarist"
"He uses a pick"
"Is this Tiny Tim?"
"Great, one o' them 'high-singin' groups"
"They have no pop-sensibility"
"they have one good song: 'Owner...'"
"he even looks like Steven Tyler"
"dinosaurs!"
"you can't dance to that"
"what the hell is he talking about?"
"this is gay..."
I actually once got this from a former roommate when playing Brother of Mine: "this music is killing my buzz, could you turn it off?" and he said it like, "oh by the way, my musical taste is consistent with the world's taste, don't you know anything?" the guy was an asshole anyway.
one time I was playing CTTE on the radio and my relief DJ came in early..."why do you play such fucked-up music, JB?"

most of the criticism seems to serve to uplift the person criticizing because they listen to The Stones (who I personally despise) or something. I usually get nearly the same complaints about Rush...
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Postby floweringtheedge » Sat Apr 05, 2003 4:42 am

heal the no yessers!
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Postby qman » Sat Apr 05, 2003 6:58 am

<font color=purple><font size=3>Wow been gone awhile, we got a puppy a Westie he is a urine machine,<img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle> and my free time to play on the PC at home has been severely limited, it's like having a new baby! He's 9 weeks, my son named him JET. Enough with the puppy talk...

Now the topic, I only hear - are they still around?
This drives me nuts because one of the things I love to do is buy new music released by seasoned bands. Especially since they receive zero radio air-play. So I'll say to someone (knowing full well what their reaction will be) "hey have you heard the new Kansas CD or the new Deep Purple CD or the new Allman Brothers CD or the new Rush CD or the new Asia CD and I always get "are they still around"? </font id=size3></font id=purple><img src=pix/icon_smile_spanka.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_smile_spanka.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby sjeffs » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:10 pm

"How can you listen to that stuff? It's got no tune!". 24 years together and Laurel STILL doesn't get it.

I still love her, though!
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Postby The Ancient » Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:49 pm

Newspaper critics can be the worst offenders. Unmitigated blasphemy. It's usually something about how the band looks and not anything substantial about the music. Within the last couple of years I read a comment about "too old for spandex" (not sure if they were talking about White or Squire...)and a hurtful comment I remember verbatim: "the cadaverous Mr. Howe" it read. Another critic couldn't resist making some lame musical comparison to band-X (perhaps Metallica)and going on record for liking whichever other band more, but nodding to Yes as being great players. The idiot stupidly admitted in print to never having seen the band before or listening to their albums. I can handle the average Joe Off The Street holding a negative perception of Yes, but music critics really make me want to hurl.

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Postby tardistraveler » Tue Apr 08, 2003 4:06 am

Like others on this thread, I often hear "Are they still together?"

Used to work in a record department in the 70's, and had one customer at the time who denigrated Jon's voice. I was appalled!

My sister doesn't care for them. I thought she might like Magnification since it's a little "softer" sound with the orchestra and all. She hated it! Termed it "New age gospel music". Oh, well - some people just don't grok.
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