Is Rock Dead?



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Is Rock Dead?

Postby yesman90125 » Fri Mar 16, 2001 8:52 am

is rock music slowly burning out. Could it be that when Peter Townsend penned the words "Rock is dead they say" he was being visionary. That in pete's life time it could die out. you can see it in the way so many bands that were huge can release a new album with music that is true to form to their classic style if it were released in 77 instead of 97 it would have been a classic .
that is certinly true of The Ladder. yes still manages to attract a fair crowd . and continues to record innovative music. but what happenned to so many bands that were able to fill stadiums even 10 years ago- now they cant fill a parking lot. you can have David Lee Roth play your birthday party if you can come up with 500$ and a $10 bag of refer. granted some artists made their money and got out . some lost their talent to a certin degree for what ever reason and so on. but then one would expect that new younger artists would come along and pick up the torch- we saw it in the case of pearl Jam ,Nirvana Soundgarden etc. (the grunge/seattle sound) where it looked like rock was back. but now cobain is a dead icon . and Eddie Vedder will open for david lee roth at your wedding as long as he can print the tickets to cut out the middle man.
so what say ye
rock is dead ? or long live rock?
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Postby jackalz » Fri Mar 16, 2001 10:05 am

Rock may be dying, but it will take a while. There's only so much boy band or britney rip-offs that will come, before the tastes of the CD buying kids take a step forward. And who knows something better than rock, more Yes-like, will emerge. You know, a lot of rock was crap.
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Postby N2yes » Fri Mar 16, 2001 1:57 pm

I believe that unlike sister disco and other spin-offs, rock n' roll will continue onward, albeit in a modified format. However, I also believe, like Jackalz, that it will take a while...a long while. It would literally make my heart sing to see YES at the forefront of a new movement. Perhaps the evolutionary process is already underway, presently to subtle for us to really pick up on. Time will tell.<font color=teal></font id=teal>
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Postby N2yes » Fri Mar 16, 2001 2:01 pm

A long while before its death were to come about that is. But again, I don't think it will happen.<font color=teal></font id=teal><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby IngnoZac » Sat Mar 17, 2001 5:17 am

rock and roll will never die... I also agree with N.Young, maybe what happened to it during the early 80s happened again in the 90s. But i do think 2001-2010 will make some others bands to come out and do a great sound.

Maybe classic rock and progrock will be the most... uhm... common in a cople of years.
I hope so...

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Postby yeskat » Mon Mar 19, 2001 5:56 am

How long has rock been around now? Rock has seen its glory days and darker days over the years, but it has always made its comeback in one way or another. I don't think it will ever completely die out. There will always be diehard rock fans, young and old. I also have been VERY discouraged by some of the new crap. It seems as if many people don't think for themselves anymore. They just go along with whoever's "hot" at the time so they won't feel left out, or whatever. I'm waiting for the day when they will grow tired of shallow music and hunger for something of real substance, and some real talent! I feel that Rock will rise again. It will have to be something different -- AND progressive fits the description perfectly! But it's gotta grab the attention of a lot of zombie-like humans whose senses have been deadened by hypnotic sludge. It's gotta have some energy and vibrance in order to reach out and grab. Anything is possible...
"Rock gives courage, a way to win the trust
Rock gives lovers a way to win or bust"
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Postby IngnoZac » Mon Mar 19, 2001 8:00 am

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It will have to be something different -- AND progressive fits the description perfectly! <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

That's right!
I lend some CDs to my friends and now they cant leave without CttE(the song) or Bill Brufford Solo in PC (Yessongs). Younger ones need to listen to old stuff... They got caught by the new market: dance, house, trance, techno and other stuff...

Hope these bad-music-years go away now...
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Postby IngnoZac » Mon Mar 19, 2001 8:02 am

lent... not lend
Sorry
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Postby N2yes » Mon Mar 19, 2001 11:00 am

I fear they will linger for at least a few years to come. It really is an inexplicable phenomenon, the rise of this talentless music and primal utterings some call "rap". I mean, was everyone asleep at the wheel? I never thought I'd see the day when the likes of Eric Clapton would be unseated by "Puff-Daddy". It's enough to make one yearn for a return to the greazy fifties...at least they could sing right? Oh well, I see a rant evolving so I will cease. We are in the throes of musical decadence...YES, help us...deliver us froom this evil!!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><font color=teal></font id=teal>
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Postby yeskat » Tue Mar 20, 2001 4:13 pm

At least the music of the fifties had some melody to it, some MEANING to it, some sense of decency to it, some culture, some substance, some TALENT!
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Postby every1is1 » Tue Mar 20, 2001 11:51 pm

What is rock? The 4-piece band or something more like YES or Santana? Rock just has so many colors that we fail to recognize bands as rock because they don't fit our schema.
I'm sure rock n' roll fans of the 1950s had a hard time swallowing The Doors, Led Zeppelin, and Black Sabbath. Perhaps we are having a hard time swallowing the rock of this new age. Perhaps rock bands are abundant and we just aren't getting out enough at our ripe old ages. Ever heard of Corn, Metallica, Papa Roach, Marilyn Manson....yeah, some weird stuff, but rock at the core. Don't forget, U2 just won some big awards (not that awards mean anything). Also, when I tried to get U2 tickets recently, they sold out an arena in less than 30 minutes. Music, like many things, is cyclic...it comes back around.
Rock is not dead....rock is a diehard.
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Postby PapaJimH » Wed Mar 21, 2001 2:47 am

<font face=Arial></font id=Arial>It's not dead. It's pining.

Pining for the fjords. <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby Yessong » Wed Mar 21, 2001 5:53 am

HELLOOOOO PARROT!!! Ahhh another Monte Python Fan.

I agree - Rock music is many things. At it's core, it includes everything from Metal to Grunge to progressive to new wave to most pop. Santan as always called a Rock act until the term Latin music became popular over the past 2 years. It's just the fragmenting of styles and formats that has us so side tracked.
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Postby Yessong » Wed Mar 21, 2001 5:54 am

Above should read, "Santana..."
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Postby yeskat » Wed Mar 21, 2001 8:57 am

Of course I don't consider Yes the ONLY good rock group around. I realize that when I was a teenager my parents didn't appreciate rock as music. I realize that a lot is a matter of taste. The things that bother me with SOME (not all) of the newer stuff are: 1) It doesn't seem to take talent to get attention and results. It seems to take a certain amount of shock they can throw on the public by being distasteful, disrespectful, downright disgusting. 2)Many of the so-called "talents" can't even write their own music, or play an instrument. All they have to offer is the right "look", and maybe a half-decent voice.
This reminds me of the time when Jon Anderson was a young, up-coming, struggling singer before Yes. CTTE, The Story of Yes, tells a story of how Jon went to a try-out as a singer. They liked his sound and wanted to promote him, but told him they needed to work on his "look". In essence, they wanted to give him a make-over. Well, Jon told them where they could go and walked out on them. He wasn't going to play their game. I'm glad he chose not to! If he would have, would we have Yes today?
Anyway, I enjoy a variety of styles of music; not just rock. I love classical, jazz, heavy metal, country, to name a few! What I appreciate in all of these is raw, TRUE TALENT! Not just surface crap.
Do these people write/compose their own music, play their own instruments, create their own style? If so, do they do it well? What is the degree of difficulty to their performance? That's the bottom line. Too many of these new performers lack a lot in these areas.
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Postby N2yes » Wed Mar 21, 2001 10:05 am

"Brazilian Blues stun quite easily"<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><font color=green></font id=green>
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Postby yeskat » Wed Mar 21, 2001 2:26 pm

Celtic Rock, anyone?
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Postby IngnoZac » Thu Mar 22, 2001 1:42 am

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Do these people write/compose their own music, play their own instruments, create their own style? If so, do they do it well? What is the degree of difficulty to their performance? That's the bottom line. Too many of these new performers lack a lot in these areas.
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That's right! Even the most successful singers now dont write their own songs... and they dont even play an instrument!!!
Once, and I dont know why, i saw a interview with Five... another boyband... everbody there could play an instrument and they're good at playing but they dont do it live... or in the recording. That's what you meant...

well gotta go... Bye
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PS: Actually blues isnt as known as Heavy M. or Pop or Samba in Brazil <img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby Yessong » Thu Mar 22, 2001 2:34 am

I've always found that when a "Band" or musical artist writes their own stuff, plays an instrument etc... it is more impressive to me. However there are those with such great talent that they still should be heard - IE: Barabara Striesand - Politics aside - the girls got PIPES - As does Mariah Carey and Celine Dion - much like Sinatra (Charisma comin out of his butt), Joe Cocker, Nat King Cole or some of the vocal groups of the doo wop or motown eras. There are many vocal performers who just deliver and interpret music like no one else.
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Postby yesrocks » Thu Mar 22, 2001 7:22 am

I am tired of all of this teeny bopper boyband horsesh*t that is on t.v., in the media, and on the radio. I mean I try really hard to get some of my friends to listen to more of the old stuff lik YES, The Doors, King Crimson, ELP, Pink Floyd, etc........
But they are too caught up in mainstream. All I hear is N Sync this Britney Spears that or OH MY GOD, that guy from the Backstreet Boys IS REALLY CUTE! Give me a friggin' break! I was playing a YES Cd in one of my classes in school,(Tales From Topographic Oceans), and It was in the middle of The RSOG and someone said this sucks. So, now they make fun of me because I listen to Yes. I don't take it seriously or anything, I just think it is sad about how many people MTV has brainwashed. I just say, "I have my CD's, you have yours, don't play them near me!" Anyway, I think rock is far from being dead. I am 14 and I don't think I will see rock's demise come when I am alive. As long as we have Yes, there is no end in sight!
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Postby every1is1 » Thu Mar 22, 2001 9:27 am

Yesrocks. I am impressed that such a young lad has been able to transcend "trends" and "fads" and actually listen to some real "old school" stuff. Welcome aboard and enjoy your journey of classic rock music discovery...there is a lot of it out there...a lot of really good stuff...not just the great band YES.
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Postby N2yes » Thu Mar 22, 2001 10:05 am

Yesrocks, indeed, you are a rare breed! Good for you! It is a crying shame you weren't around during the CTTE tour. You would have appreciated that. With all those around you ( well, not all )devoted to hollow "music", it's refreshing to see one who has an ear for intelligent tuneage. Question is; just how many young people do you know have a similar angle on classic music? Sorry, I can't remember your earlier posts, but did you say your dad is into YES? I have a 14 year-old but he seems drawn more to bands like 311 ( heaven forbid )though he does recognize YES's immense talent, I mean how could he not eh? I also think YES may require a certain level of maturity to appreciate at your age as well. Well, don't let your head swell too much...I too was there, though I was weaned on the likes of Norman Greenbaum and Frigid Pink.<img src=jestera.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby qman » Thu Mar 22, 2001 11:54 am

Yesrocks, you are not alone, my son is only 6, and has been playing the drums since he was 18 months old and he loves YES. He also loves Rob Zombie and Kiss so there is no accounting for taste<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> When I attended the Masterworks tour I saw quite a few teenagers so the message gets accross even without MTV & FM radio airplay. As for Rock being dead, no way! I love YES they will always be my favorite (since 1973) and I play their CD's a bit too often, but I also love other bands (non prog) which I highly reccomend you check out, such as:
BETTER THAN EZRA
SEMISONIC
The MARVELOUS 3
FIONA APPLE
MORPHINE
SOUL ASYLUM
FRANK ZAPPA
The TUBES
SOUTHERN CULTURE ON THE SKIDS
The STONE ROSES
STEELEY DAN
KULA SHAKER
GARBAGE
AIMEE MANN
WAS NOT WAS
PAUL WELLER
DWIGHT YOUKAM
TEARS FOR FEARS
MORCHEEBA
JUDE
A PERFECT CIRCLE
SWING OUT SISTER

Progressive rock bands to check out are:
DREAM THEATER
FATES WARNING
RUSH
KANSAS
CAIRO
MAGELLAN
ICE AGE
JADE WARRIOR
RETURN TO FOREVER

So yes there is a lot of crap out there that MTV shoves down everyones throat, but there are also loads of great new rock bands that really do deserve a listen.

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Postby yeskat » Thu Mar 22, 2001 3:09 pm

I guess we shouldn't be too harsh on some of the "bubblegum" music out there. Some need to start out with those, I guess. As a teenybopper, I was madly in love with Bobby Sherman and David Cassidy. But even THEY played their own instruments and wrote some of their own music. Bobby Sherman actually played 9 instruments and believe it or not actually wrote a couple of interesting songs. But he and Cassidy were forced into an image by the media. Having 7 years of piano and other music lessons, I appreciated their hidden talents. Their albums may have been full of "shallow" music, but it was a start for me. I also enjoyed some rock at the time, but it wasn't until I heard Yes for the first time that I couldn't go back. My daughter who is now 20 started out on the boy bands, but now appreciates Yes and other diverse, true musical talents. So, if the "bubble gum" music is what it takes to start an interest, okay. What's scarey are those who never move ahead of that!
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Postby IngnoZac » Fri Mar 23, 2001 2:08 am

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Progressive rock bands to check out are:
DREAM THEATER
FATES WARNING
RUSH
KANSAS
CAIRO
MAGELLAN
ICE AGE
JADE WARRIOR
RETURN TO FOREVER
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Hey qman... you forgot to tell him: Emerson, Lake & Palmer. ELP really rocks, mainly on Brain Salad Surgery.
I think this list qman told you, Yesrocks, is gonna be a big help for you.

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Postby Yessong » Fri Mar 23, 2001 4:10 am

Return to Forever!! JADE WARRIOR!!!!!!! - My God - how have we never discussed either of these guys before?!?
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Postby monandy3 » Fri Mar 23, 2001 5:01 am

Surely if people listen to rock music,then rock music will be produced.there must be thousands of talented musos out there who want to play prog.rock.If the fans like what they hear and are prepared to spend their hard earned cash buying cds etc. then rock music will never die.<img src=icon_smokin.gif border=0 align=middle>

<hr>all the best
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Postby qman » Fri Mar 23, 2001 5:50 am

All YES Fans should own a copy of the CD Romantic Warrior by the band Return To Forever. An all-star line-up of musicians any of which could be members of YES. If you have never heard heard Romantic Warrior please pick up the CD you will be glad you did.<img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

As for Jade Warrior

http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior/

they are an interesting band because they started out in the early 70's as a rock band but then switched to a World / New Age sound that was special and unique. I loved there rock albums and after their lead vocalist left they changed there sound. I recommend Floating Worlds, Waves, Kites, and Way of the Sun. The three rock albums they released are also excellent my favorite being their 2nd and 3rd "Released" and "Last Autumns Dream".

Great musicians great writing, enjoy !<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Postby yourmove57 » Fri Mar 23, 2001 5:51 am

Hi fellow Yes fans.Is rock dead? Nope.It goes by the name of Spock's Beard.I love the music of this band as much as I love the music of Yes, and so will you!!!
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Postby yesrocks » Fri Mar 23, 2001 12:12 pm

Well, hello again everybody! I didn't think that my post was going to get a lot of replies! So, Jade Warrior, Return To Forever? I will have to check some of them out. By the way, I am a big ELP fan too! I think Keith Emerson should at least do a tour with Yes! That would be cool. Anyway, I have heard Kansas, Cairo, Dream Theater, and Rush and let me tell you, with only 3 people in Rush they sure do make a hell of a lot of noise! I am trying to consume all of these bands and I do feel a bit overwhelmed! But I will surely look into some of these bands. Frank Zappa is one of the most versatile musicians ever! From arranging Classical masterpieces to singing "Goblin Girl", to playing the guitar like no one, he is a masterpiece himself. It's a shame that his life had to be taken away. I can't talk for much longer, but my dad does listen to Yes. (Whoever asked) I know just a hand full of people who are classic rockers, and maybe 3 who listen to Yes. Isn't that sad? Anyway I have to go. So I will talk to you all later!
Bye
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