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Postby yerweb » Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:10 am

After reading the interesting subject of "Talk on cassette" what were the song sequences of YES on 8 track tape? I know that song orders were changed and some songs cut in half!

So I guess all YES albums up to 91025? (Cuz I have a picture of Genesis 1983 on 8 track!)
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Postby tardistraveler » Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:29 am

I never listened to 8-track back in the day - opting to wait for cassette technology, which I deemed more stable. That said, it is interesting how they had to divide up the songs to get them to fit on 8-track.

I believe Tribute/Nolan has a few Yes albums on 8-track - maybe he can enlighten us as to the tracklists?
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Postby Terry Shea » Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:33 am

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After reading the interesting subject of "Talk on cassette" what were the song sequences of YES on 8 track tape? I know that song orders were changed and some songs cut in half!

So I guess all YES albums up to 91025? (Cuz I have a picture of Genesis 1983 on 8 track!)
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>Let's see, I had a few. If I remember correctly, Fragile started with Heart Of The Sunrise and ended with Roundabout, or at least Roundabout was on the last track followed by one of the shorter songs (Cans and Brahms or We Have Heaven-5% for nothing may have been on the same track too. I thought it rather strange that the order was changed like that as none of the songs were carried over from one track to another.

I can't recall the order on Drama but Machine Messiah was carried over from one track to another (faded out and back in).

I can't recall the order on Tormato either (the order may have remained intact on that one), but I do remember On The Silent Wings Of Freedom really sounded awesome on 8-track! Chris' bass really boomed on the 8-track and even the recent remaster hasn't been able to capture the sound as brilliantly as the 8-track did.

I had The Yes Album on 8-track too. Once again I could be wrong, but it seems like the track order was left intact. I don't recall any songs being carried over from one track to the next, but given that there were only 6 songs on 4 tracks, 4 being long songs and 2 shorter ones I'm not sure how this was done. Maybe a song or 2 was repeated. I think they repeated a song on Yesterdays too. It might have been Dear Father but I can't be sure.

Maybe someone else will have a better memory of this or maybe someone still has all their 8-tracks.

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Postby tribute1969 » Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:08 am

<b><font face=Tahoma><font color=green>The "8 Track" collection I have, believe
it or not is only a recent thing...I go back long enough to
remember "8 Tracks" the first time but never had one....
I now pick them up at Goodwill Thrift Stores, usually for 50 cents each......
I have 40-50 "8 Tracks" now in my collection
including Olias, CTTE, GFTO, Fragile....
I also have Jimi Hendrix, Cream, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Beatles, CSN&Y, etc on "8 Track"....
CTTE is a hoot with all the clicking from the track changing
right in the middle of the song....lol, it's quite startling actually...
Advice...Keep Those HEADS "clean" or your tapes will be eaten....
I have two working "8 Track" players</font id=green></font id=Tahoma></b>
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Postby topographic_drama1980 » Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:54 pm

I, unfortunately, do not have any Yes 8-track tapes. I do, however, have Rush's Hemispheres album on 8-track. I bought it 5 years ago at this old record shop where I used to live. It was like a freakin' rock n' roll church to me! It had tons of live photos (no Yes, but they did have one of Asia with Steve and a pic of Rush (Hemispheres tour) and quite a few other goodies, like old pins, old concert t-shirts, basically a Rock collector's dream store. They had Yes on 8-track though, still factory sealed in mint condition and dammit, I wish I would have bought them before I move. Mind you, this place is just an hour away from Philly, and you know about Yes and Philly, so most likely, someone bought these already. I still remember that the last time I was there they had:

2 copies of Relayer, 3 copies of Drama, 1 copy of 90125, 2 copies of Classic Yes, 4 copies of Close To The Edge and 1 copy of Fragile. I deeply regret not buying any of those. The Rush ones they had were:

1 last copy of Hemispheres (which I got!! Yay!!), 2 copies of 2112, 1 copy of Moving Pictures, 2 copies of Signals, and one copy of Permanent Waves. I wish I would've had the money at the time. I could've bought every one of the Yes and Rush 8-tracks. Most of them were used already, but my copy of Hemispheres is still factory-sealed.

Looking at the track listing, it looks like they do cut the shit out of the song. I have never listened to 8-track machines in my life, even though they were still around even well after I was born (1980), right before they started becoming heavily obsolete.

Maybe, if I ever get the chance to go back to that shop, maybe I'll still see at least some of those 8-tracks. Only time will tell.



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Postby yerweb » Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:53 am

In 1988 I was walking up Yonge St. in Toronto and I saw Alex Lifeson waiting in line for a movie...I quickly said "are you Alex Lifeson?"
He said "yes", I said "nice guitar playing" and I got to shake his hand and then I left cuz I didn't know what else to say...I saw Rush for the 1st time last year at the Rolling Stones concert in Toronto. They were pretty good...

8 tracks dont sound so great so collect them for the novelty although Terry Shea says his Tormato sounded good...well they were all made when the masters were new so maybe they do sound good...I gave up on them in the 80's. I am just curious as to how they were altered from the LP versions.
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Postby ariceffron » Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:03 am

SO WAS 90125 EVER ON 8 TRACK??? I HAVE LETS DANCE ON 8 TRACK FROM THE SAME YEAR....
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Postby topographic_drama1980 » Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:24 am

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SO WAS 90125 EVER ON 8 TRACK??? I HAVE LETS DANCE ON 8 TRACK FROM THE SAME YEAR....
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Yes it actually was on 8-track and it wasn't a bootleged copy either. It was the real thing.

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Postby purplewolfhound » Tue Jun 22, 2004 4:42 pm

There's something I've always wondered about 8-tracks: When were they at their peak of popularity, and how popular were they in comparison with other formats, like LP, cassette, and reel-to-reel? I was born in 1971, and when I got into music in the late '70s, all I can remember seeing (and buying) were 45s and LPs. By the early '80s, I started buying everything on cassette. But I don't think I ever saw an 8-track for sale in a record store. I've only ever seen them in rummage sales, flea markets, and the like. That's where I got the few that I own--including a copy of _Fish Out of Water_...
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Postby topographic_drama1980 » Sat Jan 22, 2005 3:32 am

8-tracks were at the height of their popularity pretty much in the mid-late 70's and that's about it. It was near the mid-80's, I think, when they were totally non-existant. Now that I'm back here in Pottstown and I'm only a few blocks from the shop (Record World, nice name, I say) I oughta go check it out sometime soon. I've been here almost two months and I still have yet to go in there. I've just been too busy to go in there. Hopefully they still have some of those old Yes 8-tracks in there.

And I also still hope they have the old classic-Yes logo iron-on print there as well. I got a shirt with that design on there over 5 years ago, but the damn thing faded. This one store in the mall that's in town here has the new vintage Yes t-shirts with the bubble logo and fragile cover in the lettering. Very cool. I need to get it. :cool:
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Postby ImstillYesmam » Sat Jan 22, 2005 6:53 am

Hubby and I bought a 69 Corvair about 5 or 6 years ago and the first thing we did was go to a flea market and buy a 8 track tape player for it. When we take it to Cruise In's the 8 track is the biggest conversation piece. LOL I told a guy I worked with at the time about it and he brought me in all his old 8 tracks, about 200, so I have plenty of music to listen to. I especially like sitting next to the car and have the sound track from "Easy Rider" in it, LOL, and of course we HAVE to have a match book to keep the tapes propped up in the player, remember that?
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Postby tribute1969 » Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:17 pm

I want to see this collection, I only have 60-70 of them now...with my last being Jimi Hendrix-Axis Bold As Love.....I do have Olias on 8 Track!! My local Goodwill Store....rules!!

ImstillYesmam wrote:Hubby and I bought a 69 Corvair about 5 or 6 years ago and the first thing we did was go to a flea market and buy a 8 track tape player for it. When we take it to Cruise In's the 8 track is the biggest conversation piece. LOL I told a guy I worked with at the time about it and he brought me in all his old 8 tracks, about 200, so I have plenty of music to listen to. I especially like sitting next to the car and have the sound track from "Easy Rider" in it, LOL, and of course we HAVE to have a match book to keep the tapes propped up in the player, remember that?
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Postby topographic_drama1980 » Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:25 pm

Not too shabby, Nolan! I'm getting those Yes 8-tracks soon. I ain't gonna play them, though, obviously. I don't know how much they're worth now, but I bet they're worth something.

I've always wondered how those machines work. I could never figure it out.
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Postby tardistraveler » Mon Jan 24, 2005 2:03 am

Christine, I used to have a '61 Corvair, which I unfortunately wrecked. It was replaced by a '65 Corvair Monza - the one with the bucket seats. But, neither one had an 8-track player - just AM radio!

I'd love to see a pic of your '69 Corvair! Very cool!
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Postby topographic_drama1980 » Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:32 am

I've read about the Corvair and how Ralph Nader (why he ran for President, I'll never know!) deemed it "unsafe ant any speed." Yeah kinda like him running for President is "unsafe at any speed!!!"


How does this 8-track. I've seen lots around, even on old record players but never knew how they played.
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Postby ImstillYesmam » Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:50 am

8 track tape players were a bad idea from the get go topo. They sound wasn't good, the tapes were always getting eaten by the player, and because the tapes were so big they had to be propped up in the deck, hence the matchbook, not to mention the unwieldy tape boxes you had to haul around to store them in.

As for the Corvair, it's a 69 Monza,,,maroon. We bought it off of our neighbor a few years ago, it has 35,000 orig. miles on it. The neighbors dad only drove it to work for a couple of years before he retired and then he garaged it. Has some minor dings in it no other body work needed, runs good. We get a lot of attention when we drive it because it seems EVERYONE had a Corvair at one time and it brings back a lot of memories.I always wear some tie-dye when it drive it. LOL When we got the car I told hubby I wanted to take the back seat out and put a 350 in it and take it to the drag strip hehehe :salook: , but he wouldn't go for it.
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Postby topographic_drama1980 » Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:09 am

So, in a nutshell, 8-tracks basically sucked, huh? I know they were popular for a little while but then vanished out of existence.
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Postby Gary M. Thomas » Mon Jan 24, 2005 4:14 pm

"8 Track Tapes" ..... now that is a term that I haven't heard in a while.. LOL

Oh my... I used to have an 8 track tape player in my old van... LOL :D
Ha, Ha... I can still remember listening to "The Yes Album" back in the 1970s.... and having "Starship Trooper" fade out as the machine changed tracks... then, fade back in when it changed over. Also, had to fold up a matchbook... and stick it in the corner of the tape-slot to keep the 8-track running at the correct speed.

Living in this "21st Century Digital Age" we can all look back and say, "Man, was that ever a primative way to listen to music." :p
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Postby topographic_drama1980 » Mon Jan 24, 2005 6:39 pm

Wow! Sounds pretty shitty to me. :jestera:
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Postby tribute1969 » Tue Jan 25, 2005 3:17 am

"Goodwill Hunting" today and found this 8 Track:
The Best Of Jethro Tull....
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"A Passion Play- Edit #8"......

I kinda like the big ones, don't mind proping them up at all..

now
"Locomotive Breath"....
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Postby ImstillYesmam » Tue Jan 25, 2005 3:18 am

They were shitty Topo, that's why they didn't last too long! LOL
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Postby topographic_drama1980 » Tue Jan 25, 2005 4:57 am

I think it would be a pretty big hassle to deal waiting for a song to continue when it changes tracks, especially "Starship Trooper." Sorry, but I prefer to hear the song totally uninterrupted, even it is just 9 1/2 minutes long. :jestera: It sounds much, much worse than a cassette tape. I'm glad I didn't have to deal with that little contraption. I bet the guy who came up with it's feeling ashamed. Oh well. It was a fad for a little while, I guess, just like the whole entertainment industry is right now, a fad.

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Wow, this thread evokes some memories . . .

Postby theproffet » Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:37 am

I never saw (at least, that any friends owned), any Yes eight tracks--have an ELP I bought at a yard sale though!

I was once driving with some older "cool dudes" in the 70's . . . think of that kid in the movie Dazed and Confused . . .

They put in Wish You Were Here, it screwed up, and they tossed it out the window . . .

I went back to that spot, on my bike, found it, and fixed it up a bit . . .

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Postby Gary M. Thomas » Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:31 pm

What !!!

You mean to tell me that some of ya'll don't remember 8 Track Tapes? :eek:

Well then, how about "Vinyl Record Albums?"..... :p
(Wow, you make me fell so freakin' old..... ) LOL LOL LOL
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Postby tribute1969 » Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:47 pm

Try "Tales" on 8 Track or "CTTE"..I have them both....
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Of course they're a hassle, but it's holding on to a little piece of YES-tory
is why I get them....something that is extinct, the same with "vinyl record albums".....lol, I buy every decent copy I find of YES, JIMI, Led Zep, etc....sometimes I give them away.......
Haven't found any "Free Floyd" on the side of the road yet, but I'm still looking!! The "best" place of the many here in Music City are the "Goodwill Stores" since they only have "one price" so you get some great random "finds" at a reduced cost, but IF you're trying to find a certain artist there are 3-4 excellent places here to go....Grimey's, Great Escape and Phonolux to name a few.......Come visit someday and I'll take you.....
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topographic_drama1980 wrote:I think it would be a pretty big hassle to deal waiting for a song to continue when it changes tracks, especially "Starship Trooper." Sorry, but I prefer to hear the song totally uninterrupted, even it is just 9 1/2 minutes long. :jestera: It sounds much, much worse than a cassette tape. I'm glad I didn't have to deal with that little contraption. I bet the guy who came up with it's feeling ashamed. Oh well. It was a fad for a little while, I guess, just like the whole entertainment industry is right now, a fad.

They are a piece of history. Could they be worth anything? I think they would have to be.
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Postby tardistraveler » Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:59 pm

I guess the appeal of 8-tracks in cars was the fact that you just shoved it into a slot - easy to do while driving - this was before cassette technology had advanced to the point of doing the same - you had to put cassettes into a player on the correct side, and turn it over when it was done - the days before auto-reverse.

You could just place an 8-track in the slot, and it would play the music over and over until you pulled it out. And you could switch tracks - if you only wanted to hear stuff on one track, you could go directly there, unlike cassettes.

The downside was since the tape was a continuous loop, it was hard to take up the slack in the tape when the player "ate" it. Consequently, many tapes bit the dust easily.

And I was never aware of the "matchbook" trick - only had one friend who had an 8-track, and I don't remember her doing that. Unfortunately, MY car was only equipped with AM radio at the time - finally got an FM converter - anyone remember THOSE? :D
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Postby Vaguson » Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:47 pm

Sorry, Gary...I'm 20. I don't think I've EVER heard an 8 track...
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Postby ImstillYesmam » Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:42 am

While we're reminising, let's not forget vinyl 45s and playing them on "record players" not "stereos"!
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Postby Kissdthsky » Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:39 am

ImstillYesmam wrote:While we're reminising, let's not forget vinyl 45s and playing them on "record players" not "stereos"!


ahhh...the good old days. :D and are any of you old enough to remember when the recent "hits" were released on 45's and not on albums? the album format really didn't become "big" until The Beatles. In fact - I just heard a bit of trivia on my XM the other day - technically, the "album" format really didn't take off until "Rubber Soul". everything prior to that was released as a single. and...ohgodifeelold....i was living in a small town in Florida at the time but we didn't have a record store in town so anything we wanted we had to order and then pick it up at the Hallmark Card Shop.

the record industry tried to "bring back the single" in the late 80's - early 90's when they would release singles on CDs. that died quickly. and now there's downloading. no need to buy anything at all. :(
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Postby tardistraveler » Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:19 pm

Ah - 45's!

I still have my old 45 case - full of my collection over the years.

I remember one day when J.J. and I were riding in the car listening to the "Oldies" station - he was about 4 or so - and with practically each song that played, I would say, "I've got THAT one on 45!" Finally, I told him that I'd have to play my 45's for him some day, and he replied, "Mom, I THINK I've already heard them all!" He was probably right! LOL

Back in the day, you didn't buy an album unless you were SURE that there were a lot of songs on it you liked, or unless the group as a whole had captured your fancy, as in the case of The Beatles. Usually a group just had a good song or two, and that was it - then they fizzled.

My album collection started mid-60's when I couldn't get a song on 45, and would finally break down and get the album, because I liked the song SO much. Usually the rest of the album sucked! Greatest Hits compilations were welcome! Ones I bought just because I liked the group were The Beatles, of course, The Rascals, and The Monkees. As music progressed beyond the typical "one-hit wonders", I began purchasing Hendrix, The Doors, The Stones, and of course, Yes!

When 8-tracks hit the stores, I was convinced that they were an inferior technology, since they were so prone to break, and I didn't invest in them at the time. I got a small cassette recorder in 1969 that I took in the car with me - I remember a few pre-recorded cassettes being available then, but not many. It wasn't until the auto-reverse feature became prevalent that cassettes really took off and ultimately replaced the 8-track as the car stereo of choice.

Now, does anyone remember 78's? ;)

Cool thread - fun to reminisce about all the old technologies!
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