The Big Generator



The Big Generator

Postby hermi-sdl » Sun Sep 08, 2002 2:06 am

Hello at all. I've got a question about The Big Generator by Yes.
I once listened to it in a music store. But it was a very lousy stereo and I wasn't that concentrated. But I had no good impression about the whole album. How about you, guys. What's your view on TBG?

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Postby N2yes » Sun Sep 08, 2002 3:13 am

<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'>I'm a pretty big fan of <i>BIG GENERATOR</i> myself though I'll try to be impartial. The standouts for me are, "Shoot High Aim Low", "Holy Lamb", "Final Eyes" and believe it or not, the title track. There are some reaches here ( top 40 type grabs ) and a bit of redundancy with the recurring 'love' theme, but basically, I really like the album. </font id='Papyrus'></font id=red><img src=pix/icon_yes_new.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby HeartOfTheSunrise » Sun Sep 08, 2002 3:19 am

hermi, check out the five worst list topic

you will see Big Generator has a lot of space there

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Postby Astral traveller » Sun Sep 08, 2002 4:46 am

<font color=maroon>I like Final Eyes a lot. The Title track, shoot high and Holy Lamb are great songs too.
It remains my personal worst LP because of the other songs on it. </font id=maroon>

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Postby EricBliss12345 » Sun Sep 08, 2002 5:28 am

I don't think the album's even worth your money, as it's a big stinker. However, Rhythm Of Love is great, and Shoot High Aim Low and Love Will Find A Way are pretty decent too. Although these three songs are pretty commercial sounding tracks they aren't too bad. The rest of the album pretty much sucks and is one of the most dated-sounding things Yes have ever put out. For this particular lineup stick with 90125 and the lesser of the two, Talk.
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Postby Yesmam » Sun Sep 08, 2002 10:48 am

Personally I loved Big Generator when it was released and still love it now. The title track is powerful and Final Eyes is one of my favorite YES songs.
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Postby ycantibu » Sun Sep 08, 2002 3:14 pm

I Like Big Generator, for the most part. I can't get into Holy Lamb or Almost Like Love though. Especially Almost Like Love. Those horns drive me mad.

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Postby perpetualchanger » Sun Sep 08, 2002 10:59 pm

BG is OK. Shoot High, Aim Low is the standout track for me. Other good ones are I'm Running and Holy Lamb. This album seems like the Rabin-era Tormato to me, lacking in focus and in dire need of a couple more months in the studio. I think it's more than coincidence that Jon left the band after both Tormato and BG.

But anyway ... I have it because it reminds me of my days as a wild child.

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Postby hermi-sdl » Mon Sep 09, 2002 12:30 am

I want to thank all of you for your reviews. After all, this album seems to have few brilliant tracks and some low points. But that's the way it is with most albums, no matter if it's Yes or any other band...
Greetings from Germany

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Postby guilddigger » Mon Sep 09, 2002 1:05 am

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<b>perpetualchanger wrote:</b>
This album seems like the Rabin-era Tormato to me, lacking in focus and in dire need of a couple more months in the studio.
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<font face='Comic Sans MS'>a couple more months? isn't this the album that took over a year and a half already to finish?</font id='Comic Sans MS'>

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Postby HeartOfTheSunrise » Mon Sep 09, 2002 8:31 am

BG was their worst effort and has taken over too much airtime already on here

let's move on

also, i tend to disagree about most YESalbums having highpoints and lowpoints - i don't think there are more than a couple of YES albums that have any low points

Unless you call "cans and brahms" a lowpoint, there isn't a low point until the tormato album

and then some on OYE and i don't like Don't Go on Magnification and i don't like anything but Holy Lamb on BG

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Postby jackalz » Mon Sep 09, 2002 10:56 am

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>BG was their worst effort and has taken over too much airtime already on here

let's move on<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>HotS, maybe you forgot to realize that your opinion isn't everyone else's. I like hearing everyone's opinion, lets talk about this some more. I mean if anybody else wants to.

BG to me is another wonderful moment in Yestory. It can strike a chord inside you, like a generations need, speaking happy words of promise. It's not almost like love, it's love. So it's got that going for it, which is good.



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Postby HeartOfTheSunrise » Mon Sep 09, 2002 11:16 am

ok jack
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Postby perpetualchanger » Mon Sep 09, 2002 3:54 pm

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<font face='Comic Sans MS'>a couple more months? isn't this the album that took over a year and a half already to finish?</font id='Comic Sans MS'>
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I doubt getting it out sooner would have improved it! *shrugs*

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<b>perpetualchanger wrote:</b>
I doubt getting it out sooner would have improved it! *shrugs*
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<font face='Comic Sans MS'>of course i don't think so either. the biggest problem was they couldn't decide and settle for a studio. they were basically globehopping before they finally sat down and finished the product. all that time and money wasted...



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Postby TenVoices » Mon Sep 09, 2002 10:37 pm

Oddly, Shoot High is my least favorite off BG because it drones on and on and on and on. That song should be vastly shorter than it is. I've never heard the brilliance of it. Thank goodness for the "skip track" button on my CD player.

As a whole, I think BG is good enough to own, but it is my least favorite of the YesWest group.

It is one of those albums that you shrug before you select it and put it in the player, but once it is in you enjoy it.
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Postby hermi-sdl » Tue Sep 10, 2002 2:56 am

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<b>HeartOfTheSunrise wrote:</b>
also, i tend to disagree about most YESalbums having highpoints and lowpoints - i don't think there are more than a couple of YES albums that have any low points

Unless you call "cans and brahms" a lowpoint, there isn't a low point until the tormato album

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It's a very "difficult" topic I chose, isn't it? There are so many different comments on that, it's really astonishing.

Anyway, I'm still of the opinion that BG has a very 'popular' influence, similar to 90125. It seems to me that Yes was forced to 'produce' kind of gentle music whereas the aspect of <u></u>progressive <u></u>music was secondary. After the reunion Yes may had to prove that they still affect masses, so they made some easy listening music. But that doesn't mean that one couldn't like this album.
Well, the low points... When you hear an album for the first time, you rarely like the entire album. That's my experience. There are always some songs or only parts of a song which sound strange / new to you. As you always say, one has to get used to an album. Then the low points MAY changed.

But I think that BG really isn't the only controversial albums.

Think of the Ladder. In the songbook, Alan said: "Igor and Billy are the new, young, fresh blood in the band. They've really brought new ideas, and inspired us to push into new directions." Jon talks of the "highs and lows of making music ... the highs and lows of trying to survive". And all in all, TL is just another try to survive. It still sounds so strange to me. And in a way commercial, forgive me that.

When you throw a glance at the "House Of Blues" (which I think is a brilliant live album, except for Igor's attempts to replace the keyboard parts of Wakeman & Co,) you see the few good parts from TL. Only short after this, Billy and Igor left the band...so the new inspirations have gone. Please forgive me, but I think that was a very lousy attempt. Worse than 90125 and BG together.

Finally, I want to stress again, it's my own opinion. And everbody has it's own views. So I don't want to quarrel with any Yes fan...

Yes is a very good prog. rock band, no question. But they have their low points, too.

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Postby hermi-sdl » Tue Sep 10, 2002 2:57 am

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<b>HeartOfTheSunrise wrote:</b>
also, i tend to disagree about most YESalbums having highpoints and lowpoints - i don't think there are more than a couple of YES albums that have any low points

Unless you call "cans and brahms" a lowpoint, there isn't a low point until the tormato album

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It's a very "difficult" topic I chose, isn't it? There are so many different comments on that, it's really astonishing.

Anyway, I'm still of the opinion that BG has a very 'popular' influence, similar to 90125. It seems to me that Yes was forced to 'produce' kind of gentle music whereas the aspect of <u></u>progressive <u></u>music was secondary. After the reunion Yes may had to prove that they still affect masses, so they made some easy listening music. But that doesn't mean that one couldn't like this album.
Well, the low points... When you hear an album for the first time, you rarely like the entire album. That's my experience. There are always some songs or only parts of a song which sound strange / new to you. As you always say, one has to get used to an album. Then the low points MAY changed.

But I think that BG really isn't the only controversial albums.

Think of the Ladder. In the songbook, Alan said: "Igor and Billy are the new, young, fresh blood in the band. They've really brought new ideas, and inspired us to push into new directions." Jon talks of the "highs and lows of making music ... the highs and lows of trying to survive". And all in all, TL is just another try to survive. It still sounds so strange to me. And in a way commercial, forgive me that.

When you throw a glance at the "House Of Blues" (which I think is a brilliant live album, except for Igor's attempts to replace the keyboard parts of Wakeman & Co,) you see the few good parts from TL. Only short after this, Billy and Igor left the band...so the new inspirations have gone. Please forgive me, but I think that was a very lousy attempt. Worse than 90125 and BG together.

Finally, I want to stress again, it's my own opinion. And everbody has it's own views. So I don't want to quarrel with any Yes fan...

Yes is a very good prog. rock band, no question. But they have their low points, too.

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Postby Clownzumanfasse » Tue Sep 10, 2002 7:23 am

Yes went through many eras, and I somehow managed to like all of them. Lucky me ! I personaly think that BG is their strongest effort during the Rabin era. I don`t like Love will find a way. But I like all the other tracks. The title song is a very strange mixture between heavy rock and jazz, a very interesting track. Final Eyes is a classic Yes song to me. I like the freshness of Almost like love ( outstanding guitar work). I`m Runnning is the best Rabin era song to me. The multiple vocals at the end are just awesome. Shoot High is very spacy, Rhythm of Love is far better than Owner and Holy Lamb drives me to tears. I simply love this album, can`t help it.
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Postby jackalz » Tue Sep 10, 2002 9:26 am

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote><b>HeartOfTheSunrise wrote:</b>
ok jack<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>You are so accommodating. I think you really like this topic, and just wanted to boost it by putting down a great LP, with reverse paychology. Am I wrong?<img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Postby chrisroc@io.com » Fri Sep 20, 2002 1:48 pm

First of all when this album first came out I was struck by the fact that it had been four years since the realease of 90125(not counting the mini live LP) and that that was along time between albums! It came out later than it was originally supposed to! Second of all I was struck by how bad the original CD release of it sounded. It was distorted, had low volume, the bass was not emphasised! The Japaneese HDCD remaster sounds much better and louder with less distortion and more bass emphasis! Get this one if you can if you don't have this album and want to check it out! Pass on the original CD release! That having been said I think it is a pretty good album. Not a classic Yes album but pretty good! I think in someways it is better than its predecessor 90125! I think all of the three Yes West Albums are the most commercial stuff yes has done next to maybe some of the stuff on OYE and the Ladder. Trevor Rabin was never my favorite Yes Guitarist! Steve Howe is! But Trevor Rabin but them some new popularity and a hit that they had not had in a few years of laying dormant after the Drama Album and tour. BTW in my opinion some of Drama was commercial too and mostly I think it represented the kind of music that the rest of Yes wanted to do as opposed to the Airy Fairy stuff Rick and Jon wanted to do at the time! It just meant that unless they wanted to continue as a three piece they had to get some other guys to play with them as Rick and Jon were not into what they wanted to do at the time! Anyway to get back to the album Rhythm Of Love and Love Will Find A Way were the big hits (and singles) from the album and were pretty good, straightforward and commercial. Shoot High Aim Low is one of my favorites and I especially love Trevors lightning fast guitar solo! I don't think it drags on too long as a song either! I like just about everything on this album except I don't really like Holy Lamb! I think it was a self indulgent on the Part of Jon Anderson piece of music that he talked the rest of the band into playing on even though they have said that they did not care for it They did not like to play it in concert and they did not like to play on it! Well that is my take on this album and like I said if you don't have it and want to check it out get the Japan HDCD! It will cost you more but it is well worth it for the improved sound quality and sound dynamics! Peace and Love and remember we owe everything to the Divine Spirit!

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Postby chrisroc@io.com » Fri Sep 20, 2002 2:22 pm

I am replying to my own posting to let everyone know that I made a mistake. I used the word but in a sentence when I meant to say brought. Trevor Rabin brought them new found popularity. I pride myself on my Grammar as I always did well in English in school even college. Thanks peace!

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Postby RanCan2112 » Thu Sep 26, 2002 1:53 am

I like it, I really liked it when it came out, but as the years go on I just kind of grew away from it. The production is really good, although it does sound like the 80s. Don't buy it expecting it to sound like anything before 90125. It's kind of an extension of that album.
I agree w/Ten Voices about "Shoot High Aim Low"...it's actually my favorite song on the album (great vibe to it and what I think is Rabin's best guitarwork in his entire career w/Yes), but I think they could've ended the song a little sooner. It kind of just rambles on after the guitar solo.
There's been a lot of comments about the infamous "I eat at Chez Nous"..
my take on that is this..it's not the original lyric they intended..someone posted on the "5 Worst Albums" message that Jon sang "Show me what to do" in its place on a solo tour. My theory, if "Show me what to do" was the original lyric, is that they were goofing off rehearsing or recording it, and Jon or Trevor sang the "Chez Nous" line as a joke. They decided to leave it in because they figured it'd confuse everyone. Just my theory..no basis in fact. But I do prefer that line to the original (if I'm right).. the other line, IMHO, would've made the whole thing sound like any other prechorus.
The only thing that bothers me about the album is the title track. I don't dislike the song, but it's such a blatant attempt to recreate "Owner of a Lonely Heart", and that just annoys me.
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Postby Jon Flanagan » Thu Sep 26, 2002 3:30 am

Big Vibrator..err, generator is not so much a dissapointment, as it is emblematic of the time it was released; For me, it brings back memories of being a national honor society nerd sporting long hair. It was all over the radio when it was released in the fall on 1987, and if I remember correctly, it did very well initially...but it's not a good album. The fact it took over two years to put this together is a very telling sign of how unharmonious the creative process must have been; It sounds like Jon, Chris and Trevor wanted to compose together, but it couldn't happen...different styles, different philosophies toward songwriting. Shoot high, aim low is somewhat of an underground hit, but it strikes me in the same way as The more we live-let go...languid, boring music that doesn't biuld toward anything, and essentially hookless and themeless...though Jon's voice on the track and the entire album was probably some of the best singing he's ever committed to tape...or hard drive. And I have to agree with Eric, for all the knocks it gets for being excessivley commercial, Rhythm of love is a great song...and Final eyes is nice as well; It's isn't the contived garbage Keys to the septic tank and Open your Eyes is, but it is a low point...and yeah, the HDCD does reveal nuances and tighter bass that was heartofore unheard, but I only got it to complete the collection of fine remasters from Japan...proceed with caution for the uninitiated!
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Postby fragilesi » Tue Oct 08, 2002 2:22 am

Interesting thoughts . . .

I wonder if it's possible to put a case together for BG being better than it's more famous predecessor??? It's not one that I dig out often but I thought that the compositions generally had more depth to them than 90125. Like the classic Yes they were harder to get comfortable with but I'd certainly agree with Jon (F) that Anderson seemed much more in tune with this album reflecting his increased input into it. Lyrically (whatever you think of <b><i>that</i></b> line) it is also far more interesting and multi-dimensional.

Musically I don't think that the songs are quite so catchy but that's never been the point about Yes at all has it? Most of them are developed to a higher degree though and my overall impression is that this album is at least closer to the essence of classic Yes than 90125.

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Postby tempus_volat » Tue Oct 08, 2002 5:14 am

Hey, these discussions are fun to read!

I'll add in my thoughts on BG here, having just posted my
"graded" lists on the best- and worst-albums discussions.
I graded each song on a scale of 0 = noise to 10 = superb,
and then produced a weighted score for each album. Big Generator
came out (surprisingly to me!) tenth of out 19 studio albums
by Yes (I thought it'd be lower at first, but then when I
listened to it more carefully, I liked it better than when I
first bought it).

As you can see on my five-best-albums posting, here were my
best and worst songs off the album:

Best songs: Rhythm of Love (7.8), I'm Running (5.9)
Worst songs: Big Generator (2.2), Almost Like Love (3.5)

Not a great album, but if you like 1980s-Yes and Asia-type music,
you'll probably find something interesting here.

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Postby thesage » Tue Oct 08, 2002 3:14 pm

Like most of Yes albums, BG has its share of dud tracks, but IMHO, its more Yes sounding than 90125!!! Having said that- some of the posts here have pointed out that the album has a few rather commercial tracks- Rythym of Love - the most played track in the US in 1987 i belive, and Love will find a way. The later is probably the best pop song crafted by yes. Shoot High- good god its got to be the most boring song yes has ever produced!!! The title track- its bizzare and thats why I like it. I'm running- next to endless dream from talk, the most progressive thing the Rabin era released. Finaleyes- Seen all good people updated for the 80s- Holy lamb, classic anderson if overproduced!
A good- but as people say , a rather 80s album- not a classic but better than most of talk.
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Postby HeartOfTheSunrise » Thu Oct 10, 2002 9:56 am

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Like most of Yes albums, BG has its share of dud tracks<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

let's name the "dud tracks" in The YES Album
Fragile, Close To The Edge, Relayer, Going For The One

is To Be Over a "dud track" cause it does not race a million miles an hour like Gates?

is Awaken a "dud track" cause it is too long?

is Five Percent of Nothing a "dud track" cause it has no words?


how can someone just make a blanket statement and say "most YES albums have dud tracks on them"?


let's think before we click

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Postby YesJo » Sat Oct 12, 2002 7:50 am

Well, I thought I'd add my two cents to this topic, that's all my opinion ever is anyway. I don't love this album, but I like it better than 90215, and I think it is because Anderson got a little more input than the first. I only really like Final Eyes and Holy Lamb, the rest is doable, but I don't listen to it all that much, if ever really.

About the band not liking Holy Lamb, I saw Yes at the Spectrum during that tour I believe, and Jon sang Holy Lamb alone, with no music, and it was perfect, so who needs the band for that song anyway.
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Postby kaboji » Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:28 am

I loved Big Generator when it came out, played it a thousand times. I don't play it all that much anymore but I love it. I think it's a must for any Yes fan....but I also like Open Your Eyes a lot too so according to the Yes fans on here I don't know too much!
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