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Postby bi-polar bear » Mon Feb 10, 2003 9:53 am

I'm a Classic Yes fan. My favorite albums are TFTO and CTTE in that order. I dusted off Talk and decided to give it a good listen since so many people on this thread have spoken well of it and Holy Shit!!! I'm playing it constantly!!! I saw the Talk tour and it wasn't that memorable, but I wonder if my prejudice against that lineup had something to do with that, because Steve Howe is losing steam, although I hear he's picking up again. I didn't get to see any shows on the last tour.

Well composed, well produced,not a throwaway on it IMHO.

Whoda thought!!!!

PS BG still sucks.
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Postby guilddigger » Mon Feb 10, 2003 10:32 am

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the only throwaway on talk imo is trevor's acoustic mclaughlin solo flirt on 'where will you be'. it's tasteful, exept the part where he starts to speedfreak that scale up and down. he should have shortened it as well.
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Postby fragilesi » Mon Feb 10, 2003 4:34 pm

Yes, there are a lot of reasons why people seem to dislike Talk and I was put off it for ages for some reason. Maybe it's the artwork which to me always looked cheap and without much substance?

But it does have some brilliant stuff on there, the closest that Yes with Trevor got to the classic Yes ideaology (if ever you could define it!) without ever really copying it.

And I'd agree with Guild on that sound 100%, interesting as an occasional experiment but as a mainstay of his style it was simply annoying.

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Postby psychopomp95 » Mon Feb 10, 2003 6:18 pm

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And I'd agree with Guild on that sound 100%, interesting as an occasional experiment but as a mainstay of his style it was simply annoying.
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That sound works well when doubled with electric or other instruments (as it often was on some of the more 'orchestrated' YesWest tracks; the thin sound compliments the depth from the other stuff), but on it's own it's too thin and tinny.
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Postby guilddigger » Mon Feb 10, 2003 10:48 pm

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Postby ChilliB » Tue Feb 11, 2003 1:04 am

Mr. Bear...

I too have been listening to Talk as of late.

I was thinking the song TALK would be great for YES to do with Wakeman and Howe..and this GREAT song could even be improved upon!

How... you ask???

Rick could play the @#$! out of Trevors "programmed" parts and improve on the cheap sounds Trevor used (I consider this to be 1 of 2 weaknesses on Talk). Trevor is a good arranger, but his taste for keyboard sounds and his ability to play like an artist (such as Rick) is lacking.

Steve could play steel guitar most of the song, and I believe the guitar parts on this song are not far from Mr. Howe's style. I think he would enjoy playing them (if he could get over the fact the he was playing parts written by someone who he is "in competition with".

They could rearrange the middle section by eliminating the obnoxious chicken squawk and assorted sounds that don't relate to the rest of the tune. THAT would be an improvement.

Chris or Jon could sing Trevors intro vocal and Chris could sing the middle part (unless they chose to eliminate it all together. which would be fine with me).

Otherwise I think I am waiting is awesome and all the other songs are quite good.

As awesome as some parts sound, I consider the primary flaw on this album to be the overall "programmed" feel and the sound of the drums (bass drum is too bombastic) and keys (give me a mellotron, a REAL piano and a hammond any day over synthy crap).

I do think it is a really good album though. They probably would have improved had they stuck together with that lineup.
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Postby Astral traveller » Tue Feb 11, 2003 1:13 am

<font color=maroon>mmh, they just keep coming, these topics on the more 'controversial' albums...

yeah gotta love Talk. although there are some anoying things on it (Walls and specially State of play) overall the album is Great.

I'd say from Drama on, only topped by Magnification and 90125.
Best thing they did of the 90's.

Best songs: I am Waiting and Real love. Endless dream close third. </font id=maroon>
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Postby ChilliB » Tue Feb 11, 2003 1:18 am

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I was thinking the song TALK would be great for YES to do with Wakeman and Howe..and this GREAT song could even be improved upon!

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I'm referring to Endless Dream when I say Talk...ooops
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Postby psychopomp95 » Tue Feb 11, 2003 5:42 am

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Steve could play steel guitar most of the song, and I believe the guitar parts on this song are not far from Mr. Howe's style. I think he would enjoy playing them (if he could get over the fact the he was playing parts written by someone who he is "in competition with".
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I would pay BIG money to see Steve play these guitar parts.... because I don't think he could! Not to knock Mr. Howe (although it wouldn't be the first time for me <img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle>), but I've seen nothing in his playing that would indicate that he could match the fast, precise runs that Trevor does at the beginning of the song! But hey, I'd be pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong...

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They could rearrange the middle section by eliminating the obnoxious chicken squawk and assorted sounds that don't relate to the rest of the tune. THAT would be an improvement.
Chris or Jon could sing Trevors intro vocal and Chris could sing the middle part (unless they chose to eliminate it all together. which would be fine with me).
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IMO, that section is necessary for the dynamic of the song. Change how it sounds, sure (let Steve play it on his wah pedal instead, YIND-style, for instance), but it has to stay in!

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Otherwise I think I am waiting is awesome and all the other songs are quite good.

As awesome as some parts sound, I consider the primary flaw on this album to be the overall "programmed" feel and the sound of the drums (bass drum is too bombastic) and keys (give me a mellotron, a REAL piano and a hammond any day over synthy crap).

I do think it is a really good album though. They probably would have improved had they stuck together with that lineup.
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Agreed, the album sounds a bit overly synthetic in places... but it sounds full, for sure!! You could never accuse the album of being too 'tinny'!
And I'd say that the keyboards are some of the better ones on any Yes album over the last 20 years (ie. since 90125) - they don't sound thin and overly 'glossy' like back in the 80's, and they don't sound like plain crap like they did on Tormato! <img src=pix/silly.gif border=0 align=middle> They're not necessarily typical prog keyboards, but I think they git extremely well! Trevor Rabin was trying to come up with an 'ultra-modern' sound (that's the expression that typifies Talk to me; for better or worse, ultra-modern), so using old keyboards probably wouldn't have fit!

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Postby ChilliB » Tue Feb 11, 2003 11:24 pm

Ahhh Mr. Psychopomp, I expected to hear from you on this one! I think your points are all valid.

Trevor's runs during the intro suite are surely clean and sweet....Steve probably couldn't play them quite the same....but he could do it. I personally hear that as a Wakeman lead on moog perhaps, Steve playing rhythm. There are so many guitar overdubs anyway. Re-arranging of the first section may be in order. That section is particularly challenging to ALL members of the band. I think this section was written and programmed by Trevor exclusively. It needs to be 70's-ized (arranged by the current members).

There are many beautiful keyboard sounds...and some weak ones (particularly the piano IMO). Certainly some sounds are required for the arrangement...but I think the weaker ones present a real opportunity to make this song even better...along with the added human feel.

You're right, the middle section stays. You can't just eliminate an entire section of a "symphony" without affecting the end result. But I ask, do you really like that sound? Besides, there are at least 3 guitar parts during that section...something's got to go, I say the chicken! Actually, it sounds like the vocal sound in the drum break from "Owner"..maybe it's supposed to have sentimental or nostalgic value?

I really do like this album a lot...and I saw the tour and really liked it. I don't however like hearing the current lineup play owner of a lonely heart, I think it sounds fake without Trevor's guitar and vocal...and without the major league production.

But, I think that the current YES could play endless dream today and have it move people like And You and I or Gates and fit right in with those classics. That is... sound like it was a "classic" YES song. Maybe I'm dreaming...endlessly.
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Postby Sam » Wed Feb 12, 2003 2:07 am

I think that the current line-up could execute the music for this one, but I truly believe that the vocals would suffer. What truly makes Endless Dream magical to me is the three part vocals through the chorus. If Billy were still available as a voice, I would say it could be done, but Steve is not up to the challenge, vocally. I am sure that Steve could make the guitar bits interesting, but his voice is not up to it.
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Postby Megalodon » Wed Feb 12, 2003 9:37 am

I don't think they will ever play Endless Dream without Trevor
Rabin.. That song is one of Trevor Rabins jewels and I just couldn't see Yes doing it justice without him.. I hope they prove me wrong some day!!
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Postby ChilliB » Thu Feb 13, 2003 12:23 am

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<b>Megalodon wrote:</b>
I don't think they will ever play Endless Dream without Trevor
Rabin.. That song is one of Trevor Rabins jewels and I just couldn't see Yes doing it justice without him.. I hope they prove me wrong some day!!
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Perhaps you're right. Although I don't think it would be because they didn't think they could cut it.

After reading Trevors interview and the responses elsewhere on this site, I'll bet there would be a lot of pressure on Steve (whether he feels it or not) to do a great job since all the Rabin fans would be comparing and criticizing his ability or inability to "do justice" to Trevor's playing. Who wants to play music under those circumstances?I think Steve plays "Owner" only because he HAS to...it being a major hit.

That's a shame, because it is in my opinion endless dream is a classic epic piece that would add some freshness to their live material. Of course, if they wrote some great new epics ("In the presence of" qualifies in my opinion...if they played it with a little more gusto than how it was done on symphonic) that would be better. BUT, I think they'll need to add something different if they are to keep touring. Otherwise it could get a bit stale.
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Postby ycantibu » Thu Feb 13, 2003 3:47 am

Surely Howe would be up to it? It would be no worse than the pressure on Rabin during his tenure in the band. Actually, I think it would be a lot less pressure for Howe.

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<b>Megalodon wrote:</b>
I don't think they will ever play Endless Dream without Trevor
Rabin.. That song is one of Trevor Rabins jewels and I just couldn't see Yes doing it justice without him.. I hope they prove me wrong some day!!
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Perhaps you're right. Although I don't think it would be because they didn't think they could cut it.

After reading Trevors interview and the responses elsewhere on this site, I'll bet there would be a lot of pressure on Steve (whether he feels it or not) to do a great job since all the Rabin fans would be comparing and criticizing his ability or inability to "do justice" to Trevor's playing. Who wants to play music under those circumstances?I think Steve plays "Owner" only because he HAS to...it being a major hit.

That's a shame, because it is in my opinion endless dream is a classic epic piece that would add some freshness to their live material. Of course, if they wrote some great new epics ("In the presence of" qualifies in my opinion...if they played it with a little more gusto than how it was done on symphonic) that would be better. BUT, I think they'll need to add something different if they are to keep touring. Otherwise it could get a bit stale.
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Postby Megalodon » Thu Feb 13, 2003 3:59 am

I agree, Endless Dream is not to be overlooked, The band should take
that song more seriously as it is right up there with "Awaken",
"Close to the Edge" and more.. "Shoot High Aim Low" is another that
needs to be brought back!!
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Postby yesfan37 » Thu Feb 13, 2003 8:40 pm

I think what YES needs is someone like Billy Who would be willing to come in and play second fiddle to Steve! He could Play all the Rabin era songs that Steve doesn't want to play just like Billy did BUT he would have to come in knowing that he was just second to Steve!
Then we could hear Great tunes like Aim Low Shoot High, Endless Dream and my fav. HEARTS

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Postby ChilliB » Fri Feb 14, 2003 1:09 am

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I think what YES needs is someone like Billy Who would be willing to come in and play second fiddle to Steve! He could Play all the Rabin era songs that Steve doesn't want to play just like Billy did BUT he would have to come in knowing that he was just second to Steve!
Then we could hear Great tunes like Aim Low Shoot High, Endless Dream and my fav. HEARTS

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If there was a choice between playing some of Trevor's songs and getting a second guitarist (even to play 2nd fiddle), I think Steve would rather play them himself. He also needs to work alone on new material. Throwing someone else into the mix would ruin the process.
I agree that live, someone like Bill would be great for reproducing the Rabin years-YES, but I'd rather hear Steve do Talk, shoot high or Hearts and leave it at that.
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Postby yesfan37 » Fri Feb 14, 2003 8:15 am

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If there was a choice between playing some of Trevor's songs and getting a second guitarist (even to play 2nd fiddle), I think Steve would rather play them himself. He also needs to work alone on new material. Throwing someone else into the mix would ruin the process.
I agree that live, someone like Bill would be great for reproducing the Rabin years-YES, but I'd rather hear Steve do Talk, shoot high or Hearts and leave it at that.
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But that is just it Steve either doesn't want to play it or won't play it. Just look at OWNER on the SYMPHONIC DVD Steve leaves most of the lead to Tom on keyboard.

Don't get me wrong I would Love to hear Steve's take on some of Rabin era songs But I just don't feel it coming.
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Postby The Ancient » Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:42 am

Jon Anderson has said something to the effect that Talk was about the only time he meshed musically/philosophically with Trevor Rabin. After the agony of making Big Generator, I'm pretty sure Talk was a feel good time for them. I bought the first CD of it I saw. I was plesantly suprised to find it in the discount bin priced at $4 US and wondered what copies of it were doing there, as the band's most recent release??? I hadn't had a CD player long and I couldn't believe how great it sounded. I kind of started using it as "easy listening" Yes or "Yes before breakfast" and I don't mean that in a negative way. I went back to the store and bought several more and just gave them away to close friends. When I sold my last car, the one with the killer Blaupunkt CD player where Talk spent most of the time, I stupidly forgot Talk was in the player when the car drove off. Dammit.
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Postby hubba » Sun Feb 23, 2003 8:42 pm

TREVORS BEST ALBUM WITH YES IS TALK. BIG GEN SUCKS, 90125 IS COOL & UNION ALL BAD. I AM A CLASSIC YES FAN ALSO AND LOVE HOWES PLAYING! HOWEVER, TREVORS PLAYING IN YES WAS BETTER THEN STEVES PLAYING IN ASIA TO ME ANYWAY. ASIA IS BORING! CONSIDERING THE ORIGINAL LINE UP, GREAT LEGENDS PLAYING SHIT FOR MONEY. THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING PROG FOR US PROG FANS ASWELL! TREVORS YES WAS COMMERCIAL BUT MORE INTERESTING MUSICALY THAN ASIA, IN MY OPINION. CHEERS.
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Postby geoff feakes » Sun Feb 23, 2003 8:56 pm

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TREVORS BEST ALBUM WITH YES IS TALK. BIG GEN SUCKS, 90125 IS COOL & UNION ALL BAD. I AM A CLASSIC YES FAN ALSO AND LOVE HOWES PLAYING! HOWEVER, TREVORS PLAYING IN YES WAS BETTER THEN STEVES PLAYING IN ASIA TO ME ANYWAY. ASIA IS BORING! CONSIDERING THE ORIGINAL LINE UP, GREAT LEGENDS PLAYING SHIT FOR MONEY. THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING PROG FOR US PROG FANS ASWELL! TREVORS YES WAS COMMERCIAL BUT MORE INTERESTING MUSICALY THAN ASIA, IN MY OPINION. CHEERS.
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I think that the 1980's was a nadir as far as prog. was concerned.

Yes, Genesis, Asia, GTR....it was all AOR.

The idea was to sell records, the music took a back seat.

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Postby Fishes » Thu Jun 12, 2003 5:19 am

i think talk is a vastly underrated masterpiece. some of trevor's best work with the group. favorites are the calling, i am waiting, walls, and endless dream
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Postby psychopomp95 » Thu Jun 12, 2003 12:57 pm

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I think that the 1980's was a nadir as far as prog. was concerned.

Yes, Genesis, Asia, GTR....it was all AOR.

The idea was to sell records, the music took a back seat.
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I think that's being a bit overly harsh... obviously I'm not going to say record sales weren't a consideration (and yeah, they were more of a consideration than in the 70's), but I don't think that all of these bands (and other 60's/70's vets) were concerned with money over artistic quality! Perhaps the problem is that it entered into their minds at ALL (it doesn't take much thought, as far as money is concerned, before you all of a suddenly fall prey to its temptations, sometimes without even realizing it).
Of course, as much as that, most of the guys who were in the prog bands of the 70's probably just wanted to simplify! Playing complex music like that for a long time (and, mainly, trying to continue to write more of it) can get mighty tiring, I bet. Sooner or later, stripping things down is a must!
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Postby Dr_Yes » Thu Jun 12, 2003 7:13 pm

Talk - for me - comes alive in a live format. I love the Endless Dream bootleg I've got and think that the synthetic element of the album is by and large diminished - as is the overdubbing. The playing is also v. good and strong - even Kaye. And, granted, Tony is no wizard but his playing is complementary (as opposed to Wakeman and Howe's duelling dissonance which mars much of Tormato).

It'll never be a favourite for me, but I agree with many others here that it is Trevor's best work in Yes (and this is probably because some of the band were "allowed" to contribute this time round <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>).

As for the comment that Steve can't play Trevor's lines - very funny! I didn't realise it was April Fool's Day! Sadly, and more to the point I would venture, Steve has his own reasons for not wanting to perform Trevor's material. I know we've flogged that topic to death and that views are polarised as to why, but the net result is we probably won't ever get to hear Changes, Real Love, Endless Dream again. So we're the losers.
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Postby Megalodon » Fri Jun 13, 2003 8:06 am

Never get to hear Changes, Endless Dream, or Real Love,
live again?!!<img src=pix/icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_smile_disapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>. Talk is brilliant album!!
I still listen to it alot, and the Talk tour was the best!
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Postby psychopomp95 » Fri Jun 13, 2003 1:37 pm

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As for the comment that Steve can't play Trevor's lines - very funny! I didn't realise it was April Fool's Day!
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Oh, I wasn't joking! Obviously I have no conclusive proof that Steve COULDN'T play, for instance, the fast lead runs at the beginning of "Endless Dream", but I'd be very surprised if so. And make a note, I'm referring only to this and a FEW other parts which are both technically challenging, but mainly, have Trevor Rabin's 'stamp' on them; most of both Steve and Trevor's stuff is quite playable if you've been playing for more than a few years. But nothing in Steve's playing indicates to me that ED is in his style. That's not nearly as harsh a criticism as it sounds, though; all I'm saying is that everyone has their own sound, and I doubt Trevor Rabin could play "Clap" just like that! Obviously, with a LOT of practice, Steve probably COULD do the runs in ED, and Trevor could do "Clap" or "Turn of the Century" - but we're talking about an extremely wide gap to bridge in terms of playing techniques!
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Postby Dr_Yes » Fri Jun 13, 2003 6:14 pm

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Oh, I wasn't joking! Obviously I have no conclusive proof that Steve COULDN'T play, for instance, the fast lead runs at the beginning of "Endless Dream", but I'd be very surprised if so.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Oh - Trevor, I realise full well you weren't joking<img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> I think you and I sit on the extremes of polite political discourse when it comes to discussing Steve and Trevor. We have clashed numerous times and again here I think you're talking rubbish <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>. H ha only kidding.

The point about musical 'stamps' is a fair one and probably the reason why many favour Steve's playing more in a Yes context, because his stamp is far more unique and varied than Rabin's. And Yes, I agree, having played both guitarists' tunes for several years now they are quite 'playable'. And if I can do it, I am sure Steve can <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>.

And as far as the stylistic argument goes, in respect of the start of ED to my ears it's not anything other than v. fast-picked alternate picking is it? That seems to be one/his main trick. OK - it has that thick, processed tone and overdriven sound going that Steve shuns, but it isn't sweep picking or string-skipping, or four-octave arpeggio runs or anything overly neo-classical like that - the type of playing done really well by people such as Steve Morse whom Steve really admires and thinks technical, but who plays (IMO) a crappy version of Clap.
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Postby psychopomp95 » Sat Jun 14, 2003 1:04 pm

Those lead lines are quite tricky to me... I've tried to get them down, but there's a lot more to them than the average 'showy arpeggio' which you might hear in some 80's hair metal song. I think part of the trick is that it lasts a lot longer than some arpeggios, which only go for a second or so... this one goes for about three (which is a big difference when it comes to that kind of playing, where there's about ten notes every second <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>)!
I guess I'll ask: can you play it? If so, then please explain it to me! <img src=pix/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> I'm never too humble to learn... <img src=pix/salook.gif border=0 align=middle> Must admit, though, it would probably help if I was dedicated enough to track down a tab for it!

Anyways, as for whether Steve could do it: perhaps, but I find he's pretty sloppy on arpeggios most of the time, and that part demands a very precise performance (and give Rabin that much, he plays VERY precisely)! So I don't think it would sound very good unless Steve made sure it was done really cleanly! That's my basis, but I guess it doesn't mean anything until we hear Steve play it!
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Postby Vulcan 1 » Sat Jun 14, 2003 1:19 pm

Let me go out on a limb here and say right off the bat-I love Talk!

I picked itup pretty recently, I got the "special ed" from Spitfire with the enxended version of The Calling tacked onto the end. I play it a lot-and usually all the way through. (I sure sign to me of something I really like)

Cant stand the PeterMax logo,though. I always feel like printing out a big ole Yes logo on a color printer and pasting it over the scrawl!


I love the extended version The Calling-I think the ambient version is a nice mix of excitement and quiet. They sounded so revitalized on this record!

I think I am Waiting is really beautiful, I could have done without the hard rock break, though-it breaks up the loveliness of the rest of it.

Real Love-harder edged, very powerful sounding. State of Play and Walls are basic rock and roll, probably the two least memorable tracks on Talk to me, but perfectly fine. I like Walls the best of the two.

Where will you be-love the Eastern feel to this one. Jon puts a lot of emotion into the singing.

Endless Dream took me a couple of tries to like. As I recall I turned it off after the hard edge part started, I really did not get the transitition from the lovely piano opening to the hard edge rock sound, I almost wanted another section as a intermediate, and I did not listen to it all the way through right away. But, patience won out-when I finally made it through to the endless dream part, the harmonies and gorgeous singing just blew me away! I still dont love the Rabin part too much, but wait it out because I know what is coming!(And I like the little echo of Where will you be near the end)

In fact, I think I will go listen to Talk right now!
Have a great day everyone!
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Postby yesireebob » Sat Jun 14, 2003 2:50 pm

I, too, only discovered Talk last year, and it has really grown on me. Somewhat over-produced, but so vibrant! Rabin's voice really adds to the harmonies (although I believe some of his guitar stylizations detract from the music). The Calling is a very uplifting song; I am Waiting is simply gorgeous. Real Love is very powerful; Walls is pop but pleasant enough; State of Play is the weakest link - tries too hard or something. I really like Where Will You Be, it's so Jon and yet also so Rabin. And Endless Dream is a masterpiece. A flawed masterpiece, to be sure, but it has that Close to the Edge moment near the end; it is the closest YesWest ever got to Classic Yes. But ugh the flaws, most notably that Peter Framptonesque chicken-vomit interlude in Endless Dream. I would have liked one more album from that line-up; they might just have worked the bugs out. In any event, I think the current line-up could do a VERY fine version of Endless Dream if they were so inclined . . . and I wish they were so inclined!
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