yesireebob wrote:I love the Ladder, it has both truly classic Yes moments, as in Homeworld and New Language, and songs that really should have been radio hits, especially Lightning Strikes. Although panned by many, I think Lightning Strikes has all the energy of early Yes with a dash of world music, all in a radio-friendly short format. It was what Teakbois could have been but failed miserably to achieve. I could see Lightning Strikes being played in sports stadiums to whip up the fan energy. The take-off of We Have Heaven that follows is a nice touch. The ode to Bob Marley, the Messenger, has a great bassline, and It Will Be a Good Day always makes me feel good. The Ladder was much closer than anything YesWest ever did in creating an updated Yes sound that did not ignore the classic roots. It was truly a progession. It was even marketed with a game, a move that would have deemed brilliant had it succeeded. But alas, it did not and the disc was quickly forgotten. I can see how this, and the subsequent failure of Magnification to make any headway in the music industry, would be so heartbreaking and discouraging to the band.
I do like Talk very much, and agree Endless Dream is the closest YesWest ever came to a true Yes classic. Warts and all, it is perhaps the ulimate synthesis of YesWest and classic Yes.
Billy Sherwood HQ wrote:I don't think it sucks... I just think everything is waaaaay to compressed.
the greenman wrote:Hmm, I think this answer is a bit too compressed!! Expand a little, Billy- whaddaya mean? That the songs were too short, in order to fit a kind of imagined 'commercial' (single) context? Or summat else?
fragilesi wrote:The obvious answer to the question is "no". We are talking about a genuine return to form in my book at least for Yes with this disc. This and Magnification showed me at least that the creative ability in the band was very much alive and kicking.
The problem is that these days it's all about image and sadly Yes do not have a saleable image. Although I marvel at how Jon seems to have weathered time and Alan still has incredible athleticism; the scarecrow that is Howe and the tubby middle aged guy that is Chris hardly give the MTV types much to work with.
(Don't get me wrong I'd still pay large amounts of money to see either play but let's be fair they don't look like they used to - a feeling I know only too well).
the greenman wrote:was this Bruce's doing, or just playing with new technology to give it a 'contemporary' sound? Or may be just an unintended by product of the (new?) recording software?
Greenglade wrote:Maybe it's Talk or Ladder for my next purchase or ...90125 and BG, alternates if Best Buy or Tower or Borders doesn't have the former.
OYE sort of sucks. Onion as two good songs--Got that determined.
Isn't "Holy Lamb" that really powerful building serious emotional song?
I guess Talk must have at least 75% good stuff on it. Not too many chick-flick type songs, but sensitive.
Whatever, got a month to decide.
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