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"Bonus" Tracks



"Bonus" Tracks

Postby Gary » Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:27 pm

Recently replaced missing and imperfect CDs with new ones. Many of my old favorites now come with 5 or 6 added or bonus tracks. Many of these tracks are just different versions of the prviously released song or a rehearsal studio version.

How do you all feel about theses added tracks?

On the albums that I feel were perfect, such as CTTE, TYA, Relayer, Tales, Fragile, etc., I'm not a fan of them. On less important albums (IMO) I don't care. I like keeping the integrity of the classics.
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Postby Roan's Lady » Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:45 pm

I'm still missing that delicious feeing of slipping a fingernail into the shrinkwrap and sliding it across the open edge of the cover of a brand new Yes LP, feeling the rush borne of weeks (sometimes, months) of anticipation for the Tuesday that the album was released. Everyone was saying, "Oh man! Wait till you hear the first song!" And the radio stations were going wild.

Bonus tracks? What for?

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Postby guilddigger » Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:02 am

to me the bonus tracks are interesting in the way that they give a hint of how yes work in the studio and how the songs develop from idea to final version. a good example is "and you and i".
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Postby happytheman » Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:13 pm

Question is where are the "missing" tracks. Cinema full length version? Two songs from Drama era that will now be released on new "Live" album. And a couple of tracks they put on the "last" box set should have been saved for the re-releases. But on the other hand the track It's over is the best thing on 90125 and the early version of "The Ancient" is very "King Crimson" like very interesting had Yes continued down that path.
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Postby flowering » Sun Jul 24, 2005 5:36 pm

I do not think that the ancient is king crimson like. The only thing this track has in common with kc music is that it is pretty weird.
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Postby topographic_drama1980 » Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:07 pm

The only thing that bugs me about the Drama re-issue is that the Buggles+Squire+Bruford demo of "We Can Fly From Here" was not put on there. I guess "Go Through This" was just a backing track that wasn't fully made into a song until the tour started up. At least those two songs will officially be released on the live box set. At least they'll be somewhere. Not that I totally care, but I was wondering why the single versions of "Roundabout" and "And You And I" weren't put on as bonus tracks.
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Postby Gary » Wed Jul 27, 2005 2:57 pm

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Postby thrill » Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:26 am

Most of the bonus tracks from Yes are just fluff. They don't record real b-sides, actual songs, so they just pick out this filler stuff like demo versions or a live track -- those types of "so-called" bonus tracks do nothing for me. The earlier set of remasteres from Atlantic are still the best. Who wants to hear all that extra.....stuff, after listening to a classic album? Better for the cd to just end after the songs we know and love.
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Postby topographic_drama1980 » Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:10 am

I still find it rather funny that on the reissue of Drama, the total time of the bonus tracks are longer than the actual album! :D
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Postby Whitefish » Sat May 06, 2006 9:38 pm

I like them all! Fantastic!
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Postby Hed G. » Sun May 07, 2006 9:19 pm

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Postby Whitefish » Mon May 08, 2006 4:17 am

I totally understand your points here regarding bonus trackc. But I think that the bonus tracks are cool.You can hear different versions of songs, and/of demos of them (which sometimes I like even better than the final version, but not always).


I miss vinyl too. I miss the large pictures and booklets such as those for Fragile and Yessongs. But CD's are great too.
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Postby Terry Shea » Mon May 08, 2006 11:34 pm

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Postby Terry Shea » Thu May 11, 2006 2:05 pm

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Postby Terry Shea » Fri May 19, 2006 3:15 pm

[quote="Roan's Lady"]Oh. Well, I wasn't, as I'd like to assume you figured out by reading my comments in my last post re. their current lack of creativity and/or drive.



Sigh. Yes. As I mentioned previously, I never said the remasters had anything to do with their lack of new material.



Sure, if they have no plans to collaborate on new material, why in heaven's name should they stay together? In effect, they are not together right now. Yes as a band is stagnating - that's a fact, plain and simple. If they reformed to tour, that would be ok, and much better if they added some less "popular" songs to their setlist. But I'm tired of waiting for something new from them. To me, they are as good as finished, unless a new album happens. If you think that's harsh, oh well.


Why? Because I'm just plain mean, that's why. LOL. :p
Terry, saying I want Yes to create new product and stop with the re-issues, compilations, bonus tracks ad nauseum does not reflect any desire I have to "deprive" anyone. It's just how I feel about the matter. Plus I'm not convinced that the "rest of" the readers here share the same opinions that you do. ]
The point is, based on your comments above, if you had your way Yes would be forced to "pack it in" and there would have been no remasters w/ bonus tracks. Many of us enjoy the remasters, including the bonus tracks and many of us still enjoy seeing Yes perform live, even if they don't introduce new material into the set list (although the last few tours have produced live material never before performed and they always change the setlist from tour to tour). So if you had your way you'd be depriving a lot of us of such opportunities and I don't see any sense in doing that or in voicing such an opinion. It's counter-productive and seems rather egotistical and dictatorial in nature. If you don't want to see Yes perform live because you've seen and heard all the songs on the setlist before then don't go, but don't deprive or desire to deprive the rest of us the opportunity to do so. Same goes for the remasters. If the band starts seeing a lot negative comments such as this, they may decide to pack it in. Would that satisfy your ego knowing you helped to break up the band we all love, and deprived the rest of us the opportunity to ever hear them perform again?

I just can't understand why anyone would criticize the remasters. The sound has been greatly improved, they've included bonus tracks previously unreleased, they've given us new artwork and photos and they've given us a lot more information about the band and the recordings in the liner notes. They've done all this and then they took it one step further and substantially lowered the cost of these recordings compared to the original CDs. Rhino should be commended for their effort! Great job Rhino!
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Postby KaRoLuS » Thu May 25, 2006 1:56 pm

Umm... I just wanted to say something. I'm both for and against in this argument, kind of.
I see the importance of bonus tracks... actually, I see the value of bonus tracks. You can see the context of the recordings, studio experimentations, etc. They also make the loose ends of the band's material more coherant, especially when it comes to unreleased tracks and single edits. In that respect, I'm all for bonus tracks.
However, I believe in the significance of the album. Not necessarily the CD. You may not have realised the difference. The CD isn't the album - in this case, the CD consists of the album and a number of bonus tracks. The bonus tracks aren't the album. And they should never be. Otherwise, it diminishes the role of the album. It would not be reasonable to tack Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields Forever to the end of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, given the grandeur of the Day in the Life finale. Neither would it be reasonable to tack The Ballad of John and Yoko and Old Brown Shoe onto the end of Abbey Road, given the ambitious The End acted as a splendid finale (even if Her Majesty ruined it somewhat). Or, for that matter, all those unreleased takes from Anthology, it would be "sacreligious" to tack them on to the end of their respective contemporary albums. It would utterly destroy the coherancy of the albums.
But why is it okay for Wings? And Paul McCartney's solo material? A band like Yes? You want to listen to a splendid album. Not a stream of unrelated or redundant songs/ditties/cacophonies.
The project Rhino Records undertook to reissue the Yes catalogue was indeed ambitious. But it, as I believe any other CD, would benefit from including not just bonus tracks, but a bonus disc. Each CD including a separate disc for deuterocanonical music which gives you those essential rarities, while retaining the album in its original form.
Not that it helps now, but it was just an idea. No need to lampoon the albums of Yes, the second greatest band of all time, by adding other minor entities to them.
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Postby Tomfoolery » Thu May 25, 2006 9:23 pm

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Bonus is not good

Postby aitomies » Wed Jun 21, 2006 3:21 pm

Well I'm a bit reluctant to shell out the third time (vinyl, CD, re-master) for the Yes oevre, but when I do, it is for better sound quality, not for bonus tracks. When I listen to [insert album name of choice] it's all build-up to that deep silence at the end - best on vinyl with the rasp, rasp, rasp of the needle going futilely round and round - and I do not want the moment polluted by the start of an additional song that was'nt good enough to be released first time. It's isn't exactly like painting a moustache on the Mona Lisa, but I think the canonical works should have their integrity retained, and off-cuts for the completists should be on a seperate disc.
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