Roan's Lady wrote:I'm still missing that delicious feeing of slipping a fingernail into the shrinkwrap and sliding it across the open edge of the cover of a brand new Yes LP, feeling the rush borne of weeks (sometimes, months) of anticipation for the Tuesday that the album was released. Everyone was saying, "Oh man! Wait till you hear the first song!" And the radio stations were going wild.
Bonus tracks? What for?
Gary wrote:Oh how I remember those days. Now, they wrap the CD's like fort knox. Plastic wrap (with no opening for your finger nail), an adhesive strip across the top and sometimes bottom of the case, then a security thingy pasted behind the plastic inside.
I remember WPLJ playing complete newly released albums. Thinking about has me very nostalgic. I'm missing Pat St. John, Carole Miller, Tony Pigg, etc. These DJ's really knew and liked what they spun.
Roan's Lady wrote:Wow...trippin' down Memory Lane with those names, Gary. Did you listen to WIOQ out of Philly? Ed Sciaky and his band of merry men and women. I was a devout follower. Amazing grown-up role models of great musical taste. Kids don't have that anymore - it's a shame.
Roan's Lady wrote:
Bonus tracks? What for?
Whitefish wrote:Well, for me a lot of them show where the song as we know it came from and how it developed. An example is the bonus track of "Tempus Fugit" (tracking session).
Another is "Some Are Born". We can hear how Yes did it and how it finalized on Song Of Seven. What a GREAT album which is all about good!
Roan's Lady wrote:I know. Hearing how Yes "did it" is cool. But what is behind the inclusion of bonus tracks isn't purely to provide us with the inner workings of how their songs developed, but rather a way to make their product more marketable than it might be without them. I know that makes good business sense, but the opportunistic motivation of tacking on some decades-old sessions, in an attempt to have the die-hards drool and rush to purchase, does not sit well with me. Quit fartin' around with re-releases, compilations, and "bogus", uh, I mean "bonus" tracks, and give us something original - or pack it in!
Terry Shea wrote:That seems a bit harsh Amy. I agree with you in that I'd like something original, but it's not like anyone is holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy the re-releases. The improved clarity on the cds is awsome and worth the price of the cds in and of itself, IMO. One would think that these cds would have commanded an outrageous pricetag what with the much improved soundscape and bonus tracks (not to mention informative liner notes, new Roger Dean artwork and band photos), but I don't believe I paid more than $10.99 for any of the Rhino Remasters and got at least one for as low as $8.49. This is less costly than either the original cds or the first set of remasters. Furthermore, they were released about 3 years ago while Magnification was still fairly fresh, so I really don't see how bashing the remasters now lends any credence to your argument for new material. In fact it seems irrelevant and appears like you just wanted to get a cheap shot in for some reason. I don't believe Yes is under contract to Rhino to produce new material, nor is Rhino under any contract to Yes for that matter, so once again, I don't understand what your argument is. I don't believe Rhino has anything to do with the band per se. Rhino should be commended for putting out an excellent product at a more than reasonable price, and they succeeded where Atlantic failed miserably in previous attempts in both the sound quality and the visual package.
Roan's Lady wrote:I don't have an argument. I'm saying that bonus tracks on top of what I already own are not a draw for me. I'm saying that in light of the fact that Yes hasn't produced anything original in five years, it is no wonder that the bonus tracks and remasters are available right and left. I was happy enough getting a decent original album every two to three years, with no need to own five versions of "Close to the Edge" that include those that either "sound better" (that in itself is debatable) or demos, remixes, "studio jams", etc. Yes, I know - the fellas need to eat, after all - but I'm not interested in lining their pockets unless they're offering up something new. That's all I'm getting at, Terry.
Terry Shea wrote:Amy, this is silly. Like I said, no one is forcing you to buy them. These same titles have been in the cd bins for years but now they've been replaced by a much improved product at a much lower cost! It's a win-win situation for the consumers, and I don't believe the boys in the band had anything to do with Rhino's project. They simply bought a license and went at it from what I understand. If anything this has brought new fans into the Yes camp.
I'd like some new material from Yes as much as you, but blaming the lack of new material on a 3 year old project that was out of the hands of the bandmembers and which greatly upgraded the older material is mind-boggling.
Gary wrote:Recently replaced missing and imperfect CDs with new ones. Many of my old favorites now come with 5 or 6 added or bonus tracks. Many of these tracks are just different versions of the prviously released song or a rehearsal studio version.
How do you all feel about theses added tracks?
On the albums that I feel were perfect, such as CTTE, TYA, Relayer, Tales, Fragile, etc., I'm not a fan of them. On less important albums (IMO) I don't care. I like keeping the integrity of the classics.
I agree that should be a different subject, but I'm not the one who brought it up. I got the idea that you were blaming (at least in part) their lack of new material on the Rhino remasters from you with this statement:Roan's Lady wrote:Terry. Of course no one is forcing me to buy them - I'd expect I'd have bought all of them if someone were.
I don't know where you got the idea that I am "blaming" their lack of new material on something that in your opinion resulted in a great upgrade of their older work. I think that their lack of new material is due to either a creative well that has dried up or the disinterest of the members of the band to put out anything new - or pehaps a combination of both. But this is another subject altogether, don't you think?
Terry Shea wrote:I got the idea that you were blaming (at least in part) their lack of new material on the Rhino remasters from you with this statement:
"Quit fartin' around with re-releases, compilations, and "bogus", uh, I mean "bonus" tracks, and give us something original - or pack it in!"
Terry Shea wrote:Yeah, I think that's pretty harsh and misguided. The remasters with the bonus tracks have nothing to do with Yes lack of new material the past few years...
Terry Shea wrote:Rhino has done the same thing with many bands. Do you really want Yes to "pack it in"?
Terry Shea wrote:And why would you desire to deprive the rest of us who enjoy the bonus tracks and the much improved quality of sound on these recordings from having the opportunity to purchase them, especially at such a low cost?
Terry Shea wrote:The point is, based on your comments above, if you had your way Yes would be forced to "pack it in" and there would have been no remasters w/ bonus tracks. Many of us enjoy the remasters, including the bonus tracks and many of us still enjoy seeing Yes perform live, even if they don't introduce new material into the set list (although the last few tours have produced live material never before performed and they always change the setlist from tour to tour). So if you had your way you'd be depriving a lot of us of such opportunities and I don't see any sense in doing that or in voicing such an opinion.
Terry Shea wrote:It's counter-productive and seems rather egotistical and dictatorial in nature.
Terry Shea wrote:but don't deprive or desire to deprive the rest of us the opportunity to do so.
Terry Shea wrote: If the band starts seeing a lot negative comments such as this, they may decide to pack it in.
Terry Shea wrote: I just can't understand why anyone would criticize the remasters.
The sound has been greatly improved, they've included bonus tracks previously unreleased, they've given us new artwork and photos and they've given us a lot more information about the band and the recordings in the liner notes. They've done all this and then they took it one step further and substantially lowered the cost of these recordings compared to the original CDs. Rhino should be commended for their effort! Great job Rhino!
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