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Does The Ladder really suck?



Re: Does The Ladder really suck?

Postby Billy Sherwood HQ » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:27 pm

I don't think it sucks... I just think everything is waaaaay to compressed.
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Re: Does The Ladder really suck?

Postby the greenman » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:39 pm

I agree, I felt sure that 'if only you knew' was going to be a BIG hit- it got a bit of airplay & then disappeared. I wouldn't say it was a particularly 'yes'ish song, but it had a good hook & great musicianship. Kind of in the spirit of Onward, melody wise.

As to Talk, you mean Endless Dream does nothing for you? Gee, I'm stunned. I always thought that was the closest Yeswest came to a classical yes song.
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Re: Does The Ladder really suck?

Postby yesireebob » Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:10 am

I love the Ladder, it has both truly classic Yes moments, as in Homeworld and New Language, and songs that really should have been radio hits, especially Lightning Strikes. Although panned by many, I think Lightning Strikes has all the energy of early Yes with a dash of world music, all in a radio-friendly short format. It was what Teakbois could have been but failed miserably to achieve. I could see Lightning Strikes being played in sports stadiums to whip up the fan energy. The take-off of We Have Heaven that follows is a nice touch. The ode to Bob Marley, the Messenger, has a great bassline, and It Will Be a Good Day always makes me feel good. The Ladder was much closer than anything YesWest ever did in creating an updated Yes sound that did not ignore the classic roots. It was truly a progession. It was even marketed with a game, a move that would have deemed brilliant had it succeeded. But alas, it did not and the disc was quickly forgotten. I can see how this, and the subsequent failure of Magnification to make any headway in the music industry, would be so heartbreaking and discouraging to the band.

I do like Talk very much, and agree Endless Dream is the closest YesWest ever came to a true Yes classic. Warts and all, it is perhaps the ulimate synthesis of YesWest and classic Yes.
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Re: Does The Ladder really suck?

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Re: Does The Ladder really suck?

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Re: Does The Ladder really suck?

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Re: Does The Ladder really suck?

Postby fragilesi » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:23 pm

The obvious answer to the question is "no". We are talking about a genuine return to form in my book at least for Yes with this disc. This and Magnification showed me at least that the creative ability in the band was very much alive and kicking.

The problem is that these days it's all about image and sadly Yes do not have a saleable image. Although I marvel at how Jon seems to have weathered time and Alan still has incredible athleticism; the scarecrow that is Howe and the tubby middle aged guy that is Chris hardly give the MTV types much to work with.

(Don't get me wrong I'd still pay large amounts of money to see either play but let's be fair they don't look like they used to - a feeling I know only too well).
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Re: Does The Ladder really suck?

Postby Billy Sherwood HQ » Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:15 am

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Re: Does The Ladder really suck?

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Re: Does The Ladder really suck?

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Re: Does The Ladder really suck?

Postby Billy Sherwood HQ » Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:38 pm

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Re: Does The Ladder really suck?

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Re: Does The Ladder really suck?

Postby Wakemaniac » Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:58 pm

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Re: Does The Ladder really suck?

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Re: Does The Ladder really suck?

Postby Yessong » Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:08 pm

I re-discovered the LP this past weekend. I really love the production...especially on Lightning Strikes - the drums just blow out my speakers like nothing else the boys have presented...production wise. It is a really uplifting song and gets my happy. I have always been partial to Anderson stuff be it ever so fluffy. He gets full lyric credit on this album...so i assume that most of not all of the song melodies are his. All in all I really do like this swansong of Bruce Fairburn. From what I read, it was Jon that found him dead - that must of really affecteded the wrap up of the album
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Re: Does The Ladder really suck?

Postby tardistraveler » Wed Nov 12, 2014 3:23 pm

Glad you enjoyed it - as I posted earlier in this thread, I LOVE this album! Definitely in my Top 10 Yes albums although I'm not sure exactly where I'd rank it. I need to pull it out and put it back in the car . . . ;)
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Re: Does The Ladder really suck?

Postby Yessong » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:56 pm

Truth be told - it never leaves my car. A;lso - 9 Voices - one of the top Yes songs in my opinion
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Re: Does The Ladder really suck?

Postby Yessong » Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:16 pm

Went back to this album again, recently, I have been searching for Yes music to rediscover as Heaven and Earth has just not done it for me. One thing that has become clear to me, Igor really captures the classic 70's synth sounds that are such an integral part of the Yes musical landscape. Far better than our current keyboardist.

On a related note, my search for undiscovered Yes tunes has brought me back to Talk whitch I really have learned to dig. It's powerful in so many ways. I recently heard that Talk was the first LP to be recorded completely on a hard drive - any truth to that?
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Re: Does The Ladder really suck?

Postby Chris1960 » Thu Jun 04, 2015 10:00 am

I'm not sure if it was the very first, but it may well have been - certainly it was at the cutting edge in that regard. In some ways perhaps it was a little bit too ahead of its time as some people find it a bit harsh and compressed. There may be something to that, but it's still my favourite of the YesWest discs - I think actually it's probably the closet thing there is of a hybrid of Trevor and Jon's visions for Yes. I like the former [I'd probably be more unalloyed in my like were the band called Cinema as Trevor wanted], but I love the latter. I just place more value on music with a fair amount of depth rather than the stuff designed more squarely as diversionary entertainment. Nothing wrong with that of course, just that for me it isn't so affecting and so does not linger so much in my consciousness.

I'm afraid I also think The Ladder is rather 'Yes lite' - I loved it for several weeks but it did pale on me after a while. That's not a fate that's befallen any of the main sequence stuff or indeed Magnification - which still gets a fairly frequent airing on my playlist.
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