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Genesis- A Trick of the Tail

Post: # 76098Post Squire*Fan725
Wed Sep 15, 2004 4:53 pm

I only just got this one, and I can't stop listening to it!! The whole album is good, especially Dance on a Volcano and Squonk...

How about some more feedback on this one, besdies my own?? :)
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Post: # 76109Post Roan's Lady
Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:27 pm

Squire*Fan725 wrote:I only just got this one, and I can't stop listening to it!! The whole album is good, especially Dance on a Volcano and Squonk...

How about some more feedback on this one, besdies my own?? :)
Ahhh, this is an excellent album - and coming from a staunch Peter Gabriel fan, that's saying a lot. Fortunately, Phil Collins hadn't sold his soul by the time they recorded it...Really wonderful music - "Squonk" and "Dance..." are magnificent. I love Tony Banks' keyboard work on this album. Definitely one of my favorites. Enjoy it, Dahni!
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Post: # 76123Post Ed Schaum
Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:31 pm

It's one of my favorite albums, and whenever I listen to it, I have to listen to Wind and Wuthering right after. I used to play Dance on a Volcano and Squonk in a cover band a long time ago, but the whole album is great. Note that Los Endos is a recap of all the previous tunes lumped into one, it's brilliant how they put that together. The storytelling is excellent, and Ripples is very ...errr... deep.

A good discovery for you... even if it is 28 years late :)

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Post: # 76124Post happytheman
Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:31 pm

Excellent album, Entangled and Ripples are two favorites and of course Mad Man Moon stands with any song Genesis ever wrote. I only wished I had seen this tour with Bruford at the drum kit. Anyone out see or have tapes from the Trick of Tail tour? I was fourtunate to see the "And then there were three" tour when they still had a fair amount of the "old stuff" in the set list.

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Post: # 76126Post Ed Schaum
Wed Sep 15, 2004 11:52 pm

happytheman wrote:Excellent album, Entangled and Ripples are two favorites and of course Mad Man Moon stands with any song Genesis ever wrote. I only wished I had seen this tour with Bruford at the drum kit. Anyone out see or have tapes from the Trick of Tail tour? I was fourtunate to see the "And then there were three" tour when they still had a fair amount of the "old stuff" in the set list.

I may have seen them on that tour, but I'm not positive. When I saw that incarnation of Genesis, they had a double drum setup, Chester Thompson on the left and Phil on the right. Both drummers were perched pretty high on the stage, and it seemed like a real race for Collins to jump off the drums and race down to front and center to sing.

Not quite sure how I'm remembering this, maybe it was the green blotter :rolleyes:

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Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:55 am

"Squonk" is a killer tune to be sure. I remember ( I guess it was 28 years ago, lol ) when my oldest brother turned me on to it. That explosive beginning after that 'quiet' ending of "Dance on a Volcano" made such an impact!!! Recall, if you will, that this was the release that Peter Gabriel claimed would signal the end of Genesis ( without him ). Ha, was he ever so wrong!!

I also really love that mid-section of "Mad Man Moon" where it builds so dynamically! Fantastic album, no question! Where the hell have you been Joizee-gal????
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Post: # 76131Post topographic_drama1980
Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:57 am

I love this album very much. It's in my top five of favorite Genesis albums. I thought Phil did a tremendous job in filling Peter Gabriel's shoes on this release. Wonderful singing and excellent drumming by Phil, some great playing by Steve and Mike on guitar and bass respectively, and some killer keyboard work from Tony. My favorite songs are Squonk, Dance On A Volcano, Ripples, and Los Endos. The others are awesome as well, but these are my absolute favorite songs on here.

I'm sure Stoutman will post about this album as well. I haven't seen him post in a while. I know he praises this album, but not the later Genesis stuff.
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Post: # 76150Post bundy
Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:44 pm

Without doubt Genesis' finest album that doesn't feature Peter Gabriel and arguably the equal of anything that they did with Gabriel. This album is Tony Banks' defining moment. His contribution cannot be overstated. A true masterpiece. Ripples gives me goosebumps everytime I play it!!

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Post: # 76157Post topographic_drama1980
Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:05 pm

I'm there with you, Bundy. I get the same feeling when I hear that. It's a very deep, emotional, and beautiful piece of work. One of the band's most overlooked gems.
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Post: # 76160Post moodyblue
Thu Sep 16, 2004 4:26 pm

Isn't "Entangled" one of the most subtle pieces of music Genesis ever did ! Not much i can add here that hasn't already been said, i sure miss that twelve string sound that they had once, it all changed when steve left, out went the beauty and in came a more direct approach to commercialism.

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Trick Of The Tail

Post: # 76162Post geoff feakes
Thu Sep 16, 2004 5:00 pm

I totally agree with all of the above! This was the first, and best of the Collin's era Genesis. They peaked with this one, but sadly they were at the top of a slippery slope, and the only way forward was down!
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Post: # 76174Post happytheman
Thu Sep 16, 2004 8:49 pm

geoff feakes wrote:I totally agree with all of the above! This was the first, and best of the Collin's era Genesis. They peaked with this one, but sadly they were at the top of a slippery slope, and the only way forward was down!
I have to agree with Ed that Wind & Wurthering was a very nice followup to Trick of the Tail. But they never quite returned to the "flavor" of this period. There was a slight "hint" on Duke with parts of Duke's Travel's.

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Trick of the Tail v Wind & Wurthering

Post: # 76230Post geoff feakes
Fri Sep 17, 2004 11:52 am

happytheman wrote:I have to agree with Ed that Wind & Wurthering was a very nice followup to Trick of the Tail. But they never quite returned to the "flavor" of this period. There was a slight "hint" on Duke with parts of Duke's Travel's.
I would agree that 'Wind and Wuthering' was a very fine album, and subsequent albums like 'Then there were 3' and 'Duke' had a lot going for them.
Even though 'W&W' included killer tracks such as "One for the Vine", "Blood on the Rooftops" and "Afterglow", it did not have the overall consistancy of 'TOTT'. "All in a mouse's night" in particular was an example of Tony Banks' songwriting at it's most contrived.
My main problem with the album though is that 'W&W' proved to be the nail in the coffin of Steve Hackett's career with the band, which has to mark it down in my book!
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Ripples

Post: # 76544Post hennie552001
Thu Sep 23, 2004 10:34 pm

happytheman wrote:Excellent album, Entangled and Ripples are two favorites ....
Amen to that. The instrumental middle section of Ripples is the highlight of the album to me.
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Post: # 76598Post Squire*Fan725
Fri Sep 24, 2004 11:24 pm

Thanx for the feedback, guys!

Now I've got a few more Genesis albums I have to get a hold of!! :)

I have to agree about Los Endos...It's way kickin'!!


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Trick vs Wind II

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Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:57 pm

Well, I'd have to disagree as far as the relative merits of these two go. I don't think W&W has a weak moment (I even like Your Own Special Way) and whilst I think TotT is good it doesn't have anything of the calibre of Blood on the Rooftops, Afterglow or One for the Vine. I would put the Caveat that perhaps W&W was perhaps TotT 2 (albeit an 'improved' version in my ears) and therefore perhaps an indicator that a bit of a 'formula' was setting in.

It's a shame their answer to that was to adopt more of the influence and shallow pop sensibilities of Collins on their later releases. Some might recall however that this album contains probably my favourite drumming on any rock album...
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Post: # 76712Post moodyblue
Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:40 pm

In all honesty, despite Genesis turning more "formularised" if thats the right word after say, 78. They still made some good albums and even the bad albums (invisible touch, shapes) had some great tracks on them. Poor old phil always got the brunt of the critisism for the direction Genesis took but the main song writers in the band after 78 always remained Tony Banks first and foremost with Mike Rutherford a close second. What i didn't like about their approach and this is a personal critisism was that they jammed alot of the material out in the studio as a unit towards the back end of Genesis which is great in a band sense but i always feel maybe the tracks can lose their focus and soul and the ideas are diluted somewhat.
And then there were three" was one album they made that has the individuals stamp on it for each song. They berate this album for being made in the way it was but for me the songs are given much more of a personality and are far more interesting to listen to.

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Post: # 76716Post Apocalypse_in_9/8
Mon Sep 27, 2004 7:56 pm

Love that album. "Squonk" is my favorite track off that album. Its so good.

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another vote for W&W (although ATotT is also very good)

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Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:33 pm

Chris2210 wrote:Well, I'd have to disagree as far as the relative merits of these two go. I don't think W&W has a weak moment (I even like Your Own Special Way) and whilst I think TotT is good it doesn't have anything of the calibre of Blood on the Rooftops, Afterglow or One for the Vine.
I agree! I would also highlight "Unquiet Slumbers For The Sleepers ... In That Quiet Earth" as a standout as well (on W&W).

As a point of reference, my three favorite Genesis albums (in order):

1. Selling England by the Pound
2. Wind & Wuthering
3. A Trick of the Tail

Wind & Wuthering used to be my favorite, but Selling England by the Pound eventually took over the number one spot (and deservedly so).

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Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:10 am

Dahni, Dahni, Dahni!!! All these years, and you never heard it. Well hey, better late than never as I tell my better half.
It is indeed a masterpiece!!! It is definitely the best Phil Collins era Genesis album. There is not a duff track on this album.
On this album,Phil Collins was more concerned about being a musician than an annoying huckster. Whe I hear the beauty and power of his vocals, and the incredible drumming he does on all of the tracks, it is hard for me to reconcile this man with the one who puts out Tarzan soundtracks and banal shit such as I cant stop lovin` you. Nowadays, the hypocritcal shit wouldnt even acknowledge the early abums of Genesis and cites `We Cant Dance album as the best Genesis has ever done. That`s because it`s closer to the vomit he kepps spraying at us on his solo albums, no doubt nauseating adults and children alike. I feel sorry for the children,because theydont know any better. No doubt, they will have to survive a lifetime of trauma.
But this album is one of the main reasons why I slam Phil Collins here. The man is talented and he used to care about putting out great product. Nowadays, it`s all paint by numbers bullshit. If he needed the money badly, I can understand him resorting to that, but he doesnt and he refuses to take chances in his music. He has simply submerged himself in `product' and without regret. Im not wild about Gabriel`s african rhytym tinged music either, but at least the man keeps challenging himself and his audiences. You can agree he is one of the most progressive performers today.
I cant say enough about the vocals and drumming power of Phil Collins on this album.He did a tremendous job in taking over for Gabriel and alot of the press at the time was slanted towards Gabriel, for it was him and his stage performances that helped land Genesis on the map. He really had a difficult task in replacing a popular front man and won over so many people.
Im in agreement with Bundy. You would be remiss if you didnt mention Tony Banks, who holds a great deal of the credits for the songwriting. I always preferred banks over Emo and wakey(as great as they are) as akeyboardist,because Banks concentrated on good solid songwriting. He wasnt into overly histrionic soloing. the man is criminally underrated, beacuse he didnt have a stage presence like the aforementioned other two. What he wrote was tasteful and restrained. This album displays that to a tee.
Dance On A Volcano- A great anthem heralding the arrival of Phil Collins era Geneis. It`s big and larger than life. Collins gives a self-assured confident performance.
Entangled- A beautiful acoustic number. Its very haunting.
Sqonk- Gensis showed they could rock out with the best of them
Mad Man Moon- Pne of Phil`s two best vocal performaces on the album. It`s an epic and Phil`s singing takes you in,Banks keyboard work is full of dynamics and color.
Robbery, Assualt and Battery- Light,bouncy humor. Collins especially scores with his drum work here. I felt the man was second best in the 70`s behind Carl Palmer( no one could touch that guy, no one!!!!)
Ripples- probaly the best song on the album for my money.And far away,one of Collins' best vocal performances of all time. It`s very poignant. The instrumental work by Hackett and Banks is startling.
ATrick of The Tail- Definitely Beatles influenced with the melody. A strong pop tune, weighty to stand the test of time.
Los Endos- A rip roaring jazz fusion closer. It ends the album.
Is the album prog?? In some respects, yes, but they combined good pop melodies that make it accessible.
The Lamb is my fave of all time. If you are going to listen to your next Geneis album, Dahni, go there. Stout wouldnt lead you wrong. But A Trick of the Tail is a close second. Great choice of an album. This still sounds fresh and not dated. One of my top five, easiliy.

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Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:00 am

It's ironic, Chris that you mention The Lamb, cuz I have that album.

I also printed out the lyrics, and I've yet to listen to it...It looks like a long one!!!

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Fri Oct 29, 2004 4:16 am

Dahni, if you don't have it, run out and get the live double album, Seconds Out, which has most of TotT on it, plus lots of other goodies. If necessary, take toilet paper, toothpaste, mouthwash, deoderant, and soap out of the grocery budget to raise the necessary cash. It is perhaps the finest live performance of all time, bar none. Despite the loss of personal hygiene, you will nonetheless be a better person for having followed this advice.


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Post: # 78187Post EricBliss12345
Tue Nov 02, 2004 5:42 am

They did their best without Gabriel only when they suddenly had something to prove. Could you imagine the immense pressure of making that album? They came up trumps, and big time.

It is one of my favorite Genesis albums, but I like it for totally different reasons than any of the Gabriel albums. Trick is where they truly explored the beautiful and subtle side of their sound to the fullest and is the best combination of their pop sensibility and prog-rock roots. Yes, they still let you know they can play, and the blowout tunes like "Robbery Assault And Battery" "Dance On A Volcano" and "Los Endos" are obvious proof, and are amongst the best tunes on this album.

Also, tunes like the title track and "Squonk" also remind you this was the band who also wrote the great pop tune "I Know What I Like."

The rest however, showcases the band with an understated magesty that they hadn't done so much for a duration of an album before. "Ripples" is just downright gorgeous, and although they utilize the same unique imagry that Gabriel helped with on past tunes it is in a much more personal manner than they had used before. Phils vocal performance is so great that not even the remarkable Annie Haslam could better it with her cover.

It makes you wonder how they flopped so bad with Wind And Wuthering right after. From reading so many opinions online that have conflicted with mine about it, I actually bought it used this summer (the SECOND time I've bought it on vinyl LOL) to listen again just to see if I was missing something. For a dollar, it was worth it, considering that there are 3 really great songs on it. The rest, to me, ranges from forgettable to downright disgusting. "One For The Vine" is hands down their weakest stab at an epic. You know that when you've spent 5 dollars total for 2 copies of a single album in your life and feel kind of short changed that something just isnt right.

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Post: # 78402Post Squire*Fan725
Sun Nov 07, 2004 5:42 am

EricBliss12345 wrote:
Also, tunes like the title track and "Squonk" also remind you this was the band who also wrote the great pop tune "I Know What I Like."

It's ironic you mentioned that song, Eric...I just aquired Selling England By The Pound, and I love that song!!!

" I know what I like, and I like what I know]
Another album I got is Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot, both good albums..And feedback on those, including Seeling England??





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Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:25 pm

Yesquire wrote:Dahni, if you don't have it, run out and get the live double album, Seconds Out, which has most of TotT on it, plus lots of other goodies. If necessary, take toilet paper, toothpaste, mouthwash, deoderant, and soap out of the grocery budget to raise the necessary cash. It is perhaps the finest live performance of all time, bar none. Despite the loss of personal hygiene, you will nonetheless be a better person for having followed this advice.


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i agree, a great live performance! especially cinema show check out bruford on that track. he is absolutely incredible a flawless performance on a monster track.

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Sat Nov 13, 2004 5:53 pm

Squire*Fan725 wrote: Another album I got is Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot, both good albums..And feedback on those, including Selling England??


I've just added From Genesis to Revelation, Trespass and at last, Wind and Wuthering to the list, so I now have all the 70's studio albums...

I finally listened to Lamb during my cab rides to and from Cittone.....It SO rocks!!! CARPET CRAWLERS!!! :cool:

I should've known that I'd like the Peter Gabriel Era Genesis, for I always liked his music...

Wind is an awsome album, I just can't seem to get Unquiet Slumber for the Sleepers...In That Quiet Earth out of my head, lately....It's one killer instrumental!!!


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That is one of my favorite Genesis songs

Post: # 78647Post EricBliss12345
Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:20 pm

And it goes into the beautiful "Afterglow" to wind you down all nicely! :)

Unfortunately I dont care for the rest of it. "Eleventh Earl Of Mar" is pretty good. Even the 80s albums are better than this.

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Hackett's Versions

Post: # 78994Post RoccoTool
Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:16 pm

If you want to hear even better versions of some of the stuff from this, try Steve Hackett's versions. I would suggest the Tokyo Tapes, for one awesome live performance. You can get it here in the states. Here you have John Wetton from Asia singing the classic Genesis songs; such a great voice. There are also some Asia and King Crimson songs on it. Go ahead, check it out.
Also, Live Archive 04 is very good, also.

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Post: # 79125Post hennie552001
Sun Nov 28, 2004 12:48 pm

... having the whole universe of Genesis music to explored, ahead of you. Just as much to dig into as the universe of Yes music. How many hours I have spent in the company of Supper's Ready, Firth of Fifth, Cinema Show and the other masterpieces, and would not dare to guess. I think Genesis music has stood the test of time remarably well, just like Yes music. One of my fondest memories are seeing The Lamb performed live in 1975. People still talk about it over here as one one the best concerts ever. I also loved seeing Genesis with a heavy bearded Phil Collins in front, live in Earls Court, London in 1977. They were still a great band then, no sign of the terrible 80s. And the crowded house singalong to Supper's Ready really brought tears to my eyes. It was incredible. I totally forgot to miss Peter Gabriel.
Wonder a bit what it's like to discover bands like Genesis and Yes at this moment in time, with all the stuff that has been going on in the meantime. I mean, it can't be the same experience deiscovering Supper's Ready if you're allready familiar with Marillions Grendel for instance. Can it?
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Well, it's official...

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Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:57 am

Selling England by the Pound is now my favorite of all the Genesis albums I now own, I can't get enough of it lately...The songs I immensly love on it are I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe), Firth of Firth, After the Ordeal, and Cinema Show...Needless to say, I'm always find myself listening to it on the way to and from school everyday.
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