Renaissance: Before their time?

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Renaissance: Before their time?

Post: # 479Post N2yes
Wed Mar 20, 2002 2:01 pm

<font color=red>Okay, I know I'm not the only fan out there. Theirs was a band of immense depth and talent. Were they possibly a bit before their time?</font id=red><img src=pix/icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Post: # 14320Post fragilesi
Wed Mar 20, 2002 4:58 pm

N2, I still haven't heard them but they keep coming up in conversation, any suggestions as to where to get started with them so that I can beging to answer the question in a few months?

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Post: # 14325Post monandy3
Wed Mar 20, 2002 6:00 pm

I'am certainly a big fan N2 and have been for quite a few years now.
Suberb musicianship,exellent songcraft and beutiful singing from Annie Haslam. With such a lot going for them,It amazes me that they wern't a lot bigger than they were. Still,they made some really great albums Simon,any one of them from the mid seventies should set you on your way. Novella for instance is mega,having only two tracks on the first side and three on the second.[A bit like another band from the same era.] See if you can find yourself a copy and let us know what you think.<img src=pix/icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Post: # 14332Post Chris2210
Wed Mar 20, 2002 9:23 pm

I only have the odd album or two of theirs, but I was listening to their Song for All Seasons just a little while ago. I was struck by the almost uncanny resemblance in the orchestral style of the eponymously titled track with that on Magnification - particularly Dreamtime. If you've got that album Chris, I'd be really interested to hear what you think about that. Anyway, great band and Annie Haslam does have a truly beautiful voice.

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Post: # 14344Post chromatic88
Thu Mar 21, 2002 1:29 am

A really great band!! By the way, they have got back together and put out a new album last year with everyone playing except former bassist, Jon Camp.

I don't think they were ahead of their time though. They were certainly OF their time. Jon Camp is very influenced by Chris Squire and has said as much. Annie Haslam, a wonderful vocalist, has mentioned that they were big into Yes and Caravan. There is no way they would have any degree of success if they started out today. Probably too expensive of a proposition for the labels to risk on - hiring full orchestras and arrangers for practically every tune.

Hey, when is Annie Haslam and Steve Howe gonna finish that album that they were planning together? That would be wonderful. They do a masterful job on "Turn of the Century" on that one Yes tribute album a while back.

"The Captive Heart" - one of the most haunting melodies of all time.

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Post: # 14355Post fragilesi
Thu Mar 21, 2002 3:43 am

Okay I've just ordered Song for all Seasons from Amazon, I chose that because Novella is down as taking 1-2 weeks. I'm really looking forwards to this now.

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Post: # 14490Post Jon Flanagan
Fri Mar 22, 2002 4:05 am

Their 2000 release " Tuscany" was pretty good; Annie's voice still sends shivers down my spine.

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Post: # 14502Post Astral traveller
Fri Mar 22, 2002 6:32 am

I never heard a thing from this band. any suggestions?

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Fri Mar 22, 2002 7:50 am

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Okay I've just ordered Song for all Seasons from Amazon, I chose that because Novella is down as taking 1-2 weeks. I'm really looking forwards to this now.

Simon.
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I got Song for all Seasons a few months ago - great album. I knew the song Northern Lights, but never knew who it was by - was a nice surprise to hear it again.

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Okay I've just ordered Song for all Seasons from Amazon, I chose that because Novella is down as taking 1-2 weeks. I'm really looking forwards to this now.

Simon.
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I got Song for all Seasons a few months ago - great album. I knew the song Northern Lights, but never knew who it was by - was a nice surprise to hear it again.

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I loved Northern Lights at the time it came out, but didn't get this album until relatively recently. It's pretty consistently high quality throughout IMO.

I think you should like this one Simon.

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Post: # 14643Post fragilesi
Sat Mar 23, 2002 5:13 pm

Well I've listened to the last two tracks, sounds "interesting", the production seems a little strange but I really liked the songs. I'll have to find the time to listen.

Oddly the verses reminded me really strongly of Rick Wakeman's Journey album . . . remember I've only listened to it the once but there was something about it that reminded me of it instantly.

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Post: # 17111Post fragilesi
Mon Apr 15, 2002 7:43 pm

Okay, time to check back in on this one now that I have given the album a few listens . . . I definitely do like this band. Interesting how Yestalk is giving me so many more new interests musically outside of Yes with this following Seb introducing me to IQ. I'll have to calm down a bit with the new Rush album coming out so soon.

Renaissance are definitely a likely pick for most Yes fans I would have thought . . .

Simon.

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Post: # 17115Post hennie552001
Mon Apr 15, 2002 9:41 pm

I remember listening to this group in the 70s, but never got around to buying the albums. I know I like it, and I'll put Songs for all Seasons on my wants-list. Thanks for reminding me, N2yes.

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Post: # 17116Post Stoutman
Mon Apr 15, 2002 10:28 pm

I only have a few albums from this band,but what a voice Annie Halsam has. Three octave range for sure.The `Ashes are Burning' album is one I really like. I also have the `Live at Carnegie Hall abum'. Some really great performances. They were more acoustic sounding than the rest of their progressive counterparts,which made them unique.

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Tue Apr 16, 2002 8:58 am

<font color=red>Like a no-count dad, I abandoned my offspring though not deliberately. Glad to see it has developed so much interest. Also very glad to see there are so many of you who appreciate this marvelous band. They were simply stunning IMHO.

Well Chris, I have heard it and yes, I can easily see where you could make that comparison. Now, the trouble is, I used to have it on cassette but have never acquired it on CD. If everything goes well, apparently "One Way records" has bought out the lot and will reissue most. I also love "Scherezade and Other Stories", "Ocean Gypsy" in particular ( that song gets me ).

Annie went through a helluva bout of the big "C" not too terribly long ago as I recall. I trust she has pulled through...we hope. Haven't really kept up with her as I would have really like to have.</font id=red><img src=pix/icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_yes_talis.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Tue Apr 16, 2002 2:53 pm

Scherezade, is a great album like you say N2. My favourite track though would have to be A Trip To The Fair. Fantastic song! Thanks for the Song For All Seasons tip off Chris. One for you to get me back with! Northern Lights, was a beautiful song. I'm looking forward to the rest of the album. Who needs current music when there are so many gems from the past still to discover?

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Post: # 17406Post SadPreacher
Sat Apr 20, 2002 5:17 am

I'm amazed that no one has mentioned 'Turn of the Cards' which to me was the peak of their creativity and adventurousness. An album where every song is a classic, with the combination of sweeping orchestration and Annie Haslem's superb voice. Probably less commercial than some of their later stuff though, which is probably exactly why I like it so much!

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Post: # 18140Post dwass
Sun Apr 28, 2002 4:44 am

Ah...Renaissance....Actually not one band, but about 3 or 4 different ones. A long and complicated story...

The incarnation we are mostly talking about here, though, is the one from 1972 to about 1979 with Annie Haslam vocals and Jon Camp, John Tout, Terry Sullivan and Mick Dunford.

I think Camp was brilliant, and Squire fans should be able to see how Camp also plays "lead bass guitar", like Chris.

Anyway, I especially like their first album "Prologue" (especially the title track and Rajah Khan), the second album "Ashes are Burning" ("Carpet of the Sun" and "Can you understand" are great, the title track is absolutely magnificent), and the 3rd album "Turn of the Cards" (especially "Running Hard"). The others during this period (Scheherazade, Novella, Song for all Seasons) are all worth listening to as well, but I think that after "Novella", their creativity started heading south. The "Live at Carnegie Hall" album has great renditions of "Ashes are burning" and "Scheherazade".

If you want to, we can talk about the other incarnations of "Renaissance", one of which was called "Renaissance" and the other called "Illusion", both consisting mainly of former members of the Yardbirds. If you like your prog-rock more on the folky side, then check out the limited amount of material these early "Renaissance" bands put out. I think it is astounding!

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Mon May 27, 2002 2:05 am

Wow!! I just downloaded "A Song For All Seasons." You know how infinately difficult it is to please me and I can't find anything about this song that I don't like! It's incredible! Annies voice and the orchestra sends shivers all over my body, this is some truly moving shit.

It's so good in fact, that even though I have cable internet I'm NOT going to download it because I think that this shit will definately be worth my money.

Magnification wishes it could have been this awesome. This is what a progressive band and orchestra are supposed to sound like!

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Wed Jun 12, 2002 5:54 am

I've downloaded several tracks of theirs (want to make sure I like 'em before shelling out the bucks). While some of their material is, quite possibly, right up ther with Yes and Moody Blues - as far as the "symphonic" sound is concerned - several of the tracks I downloaded sounds like a bad imitation of ABBA! Did they go through a really awful "disco/pop" period? And if so, which albums should I avoid!

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I've downloaded several tracks of theirs (want to make sure I like 'em before shelling out the bucks). While some of their material is, quite possibly, right up ther with Yes and Moody Blues - as far as the "symphonic" sound is concerned - several of the tracks I downloaded sounds like a bad imitation of ABBA! Did they go through a really awful "disco/pop" period? And if so, which albums should I avoid!

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Avoid the last couple of albums before their mid-eighties split - that is, avoid Timeline, Camera Camera and Azure d'Or (which isn't as bad as the other two, but still patchy).

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Post: # 22604Post gatesofdeliriumcrasher
Thu Jun 13, 2002 10:33 am

Thanks for the tip! BTW, I think "Song of Scheherazade" is one of the most beautifully lush symphonic songs I've ever heard! Is there a live album out with that on it?

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Thu Jun 13, 2002 2:37 pm

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Thanks for the tip! BTW, I think "Song of Scheherazade" is one of the most beautifully lush symphonic songs I've ever heard! Is there a live album out with that on it?

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Yes, a double album called "Live at Carnegie Hall" It is essential. Some good photos in the set as well.

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Post: # 22776Post yeskat
Sat Jun 15, 2002 12:54 pm

Just LOVE this band! I had no idea they had just released a new album! I need to find it! I could never get enough of "Ocean Gypsy" and "Trip to the Fair"! The whole album is excellent! I only have Scheherazade and Novella. Would like to make my collection more complete!<img src=pix/luv1.gif border=0 align=middle>

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