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Is it time for YES to retire?

Post: # 4299Post Ed Schaum
Sat Jun 05, 2004 12:43 am

This is something that's been crossing my mind for a while now.

We've gotten a lot of great music from the guys over the years. Maybe it's time for them to hang it up while they still have their dignity. It would be a great time for them to do this - everyone is still alive, they've given us many great shows, albums, and memories, and we've been lucky enough to have them tour every year for the last 8 years in a row, 9 if you count SLO.

Recently they became involved with the shlock outfit ClassicPictures, who've put out nothing but garbage for the band, and now they're going for the big bux ticket packages.

Wouldn't it be better for us to remember them as a great band who went out on a high note instead of becoming a pathetic parody of themselves?

What do you think?

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Post: # 70792Post Greenglade
Sat Jun 05, 2004 3:30 am

Maybe, it's a good idea. But one more album and a farewell tour after a break of 3 to 4 years, in which they get new management, new distributor --and no more greatest hits stuff, but new archive stuff not released and more archival film material.

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Post: # 70793Post Greenglade
Sat Jun 05, 2004 3:33 am

They gotta release the secret archives of film footage from the 70's before they retire.
Then they can go on to start a chain of Yes/Rodger Dean-themed resorts or have free "Golden Oldies" concerts for seniors.

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Post: # 70797Post tardistraveler
Sat Jun 05, 2004 3:45 am

As much as I enjoy seeing/hearing them play, I don't want them to do it any longer than they feel comfortable. I figure it's up to them to make the call when enough is enough.

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Post: # 70806Post LoveJon
Sat Jun 05, 2004 5:25 am

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<b>Ed Schaum wrote:</b>
It would be a great time for them to do this - everyone is still alive.
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Oh my.......that made my heart skip a beat.


It may simply be time for them to retire their current management. After reading the <i>"$350 thread,"</i> it appears that the sooner, the better.

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Post: # 70807Post Roan's Lady
Sat Jun 05, 2004 5:26 am

The thing is, they may "feel comfortable" when more of the green stuff rolls in...as seems to be the push lately. It's somewhat disheartening to me to see them continually redo/rework their "classics" in concert, with scant few newer songs in the mix. I seriously doubt we will get any more new studio material from them, and my compilation collection of theirs is and will continue to be small - I simply don't like shelling out more and more money for "Starship Trooper" on five different releases...call me crazy.
I'm loath to say that Yes is becoming a "nostalgia act" - people I've spoken to who are not fans overwhelmingly have this perception of the band...but I am starting to think, myself - if they're not putting out/playing anything new, then what else are they?
In a perfect world, artists would continue to evolve in their craft, and if the time comes when they are not able to do so, then they bow out gracefully. But the reality is that other factors come into play, and sometimes art loses out to simple survival, or greed, or pandering, or something completely different - we may never know.
Yes will never produce what they did in their first decade-or-so, I think in part because they no longer have the desire, what seemed almost a hunger, to achieve something as artistically grand as what they did then. I think that they will be around for as long as it is profitable for them to do so.
And yet, I love when they play, and I will see them as many more times as I can. So, I'm just playing into their hands, aren't I??

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Post: # 70809Post tardistraveler
Sat Jun 05, 2004 5:35 am

Amy, I guess I see Yes as having artistically produced through the years, not just during the 70's.

I don't want everything they do to be CTTE, or Tales, or GFTO. They've done that. And it was splendid! But, so are The Ladder, and Magnification in their own way, for example.

I suspect that there is still some creative work they could do yet. The question is, is it marketable? Face it, it costs money to record and distribute an album. And I do have concerns about their current management - they seem to be leading Yes down the wrong path.

I would just like to see Yes do what THEY want to do, and if that's to tour and play their current catalogue, well, I'll still go see them because of the magic they generate live. And if it's to produce some new music, then I hope they find a way to do it and make it profitable for them. And if they're just ready to retire, I'll be sad, but I will always love what they've given me over the years, and be eternally grateful for that.

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Post: # 70810Post stevehoweistheMAN
Sat Jun 05, 2004 5:49 am

Well, I don't want everyone to feel like that. I suppose I'm biased, having never seen them in the 1970's, but I WANT the classics still played as many times as I can take it in live, because I wasn't around then...

About retirement, I need three things to happen before that first:

1. Insanely kick ass splendid out of control final album

2. Tour to promote the new record, with an EMPHASIS on material composed KTA or later (with some classics in there too, of course).

3. A farewell tour with only under 10 locations for this reason: Have mass vnues for people to travel to as a 2 to t3 day woodstock type event where every member of Yes past or present comes to perform whatever album they played on, in order from Yes-(whatever the last record is). So, the first lineup gets up and kicks in with Beyond and Before, etc.

THAT would be my dream.

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Sat Jun 05, 2004 6:57 am

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<b>LoveJon wrote:</b>
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
<b>Ed Schaum wrote:</b>
It would be a great time for them to do this - everyone is still alive.
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Oh my.......that made my heart skip a beat.


It may simply be time for them to retire their current management. After reading the <i>"$350 thread,"</i> it appears that the sooner, the better.


<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>I agree whole heartedly. The problem is they always seem to be changing their management and they've all seemed to be bad in one way or another. At least the current management has let Rick know what dates the tours have been scheduled on. I guess they feel obligated to gouge the fans as payback for actually doing their job.

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Sat Jun 05, 2004 8:41 am

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<b>Ed Schaum wrote:</b>
This is something that's been crossing my mind for a while now.

We've gotten a lot of great music from the guys over the years. Maybe it's time for them to hang it up while they still have their dignity. It would be a great time for them to do this - everyone is still alive, they've given us many great shows, albums, and memories, and we've been lucky enough to have them tour every year for the last 8 years in a row, 9 if you count SLO.

Recently they became involved with the shlock outfit ClassicPictures, who've put out nothing but garbage for the band, and now they're going for the big bux ticket packages.

Wouldn't it be better for us to remember them as a great band who went out on a high note instead of becoming a pathetic parody of themselves?

What do you think?
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Yes are are a nostalgia band...whether we like it or not; the age of musical discovery has been over for a long time...and it doesn't bother me one iota...what's wrong with playing a set that is predominatly oldies? Do people really wanna hear " Lightning strikes " in place of " South of the sky?" The last few releases are the best they can muster....and if they retire, they have earned it...and will do so gracefully.

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Post: # 70825Post tardistraveler
Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:02 am

I would LOVE to hear them play Lightning Strikes, or anything from The Ladder or Magnification!

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Post: # 70829Post relayer4u
Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:10 am

<font color=blue>I say NOT!

These 5 men, and all that came before and after, are unique in their ability to please. When you most think they have gone stale...they whip out the Masterworks tour with Gates of Delirium, a song many said was dead and gone from the live show forever!

How many tours did they try working South Side in, before it actually happened? But it did happen, when the time was right.

So after seeing and reading the current set of complaints (when have we had a complaint free year?) I say Yes is giving us exactly what many of the fans have asked for.

How many bitched about the last presale? Yes are trying a different vendor, and the same people are bitching already!

Fan's said they want to hear a "new" set at the live show. And now I see so much crying about no CTTE or HOTS...sound familiar?

Were you one of the one's that said the "garbage bag" stage sucked and they need to get Roger Dean next time? Guess what, it's not good enough this time either!

ETC...!

Yes can retire or spilt off whenever they damn well feel like it as far as I'm concerned.

Until they do I'll be at every show I can afford...

...come on Hawaiian Paradise Volume 2!

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Post: # 70831Post tardistraveler
Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:53 am

Well said, Ray! As long as they want to play, I'll be there, if humanly possible!

I never complain about the stage, or the setlist. I love all their music - they can play the most obscure or most popular songs, and it's all fine with me. And they don't have to have a Roger Dean stage to make it cool - THEY are cool all by themselves! The trappings are fun, and I do remember the light shows and stage sets of the 70's, but that's not essential to enjoying the show.

The music is essential, and they still have the music within them, and as long as they care to share it with us, be it old or new, I'll be there to listen, and enjoy!

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Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:10 am

<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'>Absolutely Not!!!!!!!!!!!! No question, it does appear that the candle of creativity has simmered a tad over the years, but, it wasn't too long ago that we were all cheering the return of Wake Rickman! Surely, this move was not made so Rick could go on one last tour as a YESman! These guys have something up their sleeves and I think we'll find it to be, in the words of Hal, "Something wonderful!" Pay no attention to Jon and his comments about the possibility of no more albums. He was simply talking out of his arse!</font id='Papyrus'></font id=red><img src=pix/icon_yes_talis.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Post: # 70838Post wild_westie
Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:22 am

My opinion doesn't matter - to the band at least. They're "Artists" and are motivated by their musical muses. I'll go with their flow. I'll support whatever endeavour they choose - solo projects or as a band. Jon wants to do DVDs. This is great! I love all the special features DVDs provide. Wakeman - more solo projects, fine! How many bands have announced "This is our swan song"? - only for them to return for more. I'll go to their concerts even if they're all in wheelchairs, hooked to oxygen and being propped up. Music is their life, it's their soul. You can't kill the soul. Art, be it musical, visual or performance is always open to interpretation. It's a medium that is subjective. We must appreciate and respect this.

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Post: # 70857Post stevehoweistheMAN
Sat Jun 05, 2004 3:08 pm

You know what needs to happen to get Yes in the forefront, happy, succsessful, ect again? Two words:

BRIAN LANE

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Post: # 70860Post topographic_drama1980
Sat Jun 05, 2004 3:23 pm

You know, I've been thinking about that too. He hasn't worked with the band in QUITE a while. Hell, the last time he had anything to do with any member of Yes was with Steve in GTR, after he left Asia. They were successful in the 70's and I truly believe part of that credit goes to Mr. Lane. Hopefully he can put all the bullshit that happened in the past with the DRAMA debacle and come back to the band.

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<b><font face='Papyrus'><font size=5><font color=green>NEVER!</font id=green></font id=size5></font id='Papyrus'></b>
<b><font face=Tahoma><font size=2><font color=red>Real MUSICANS never retire....</font id=red></font id=size2></font id=Tahoma></b>
<b><font face='Comic Sans MS'><font color=purple>Too bad the producer from THE LADDER is no longer with them....
What IF they worked with...
TODD RUDGREN???</font id=purple></font id='Comic Sans MS'></b>

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Post: # 70883Post fragilesi
Sun Jun 06, 2004 12:37 am

I say we should ban Ed from this site! <img src=pix/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

More seriously, there are very few things that I enjoy more than listening to Yes live in concert. While there are enough people like me to justify it and they are happy doing it they should continue.

I don't care if people want to hang stupid labels like "nostalgia act" on them. If we took that approach then we'd have also written off all the great symphony orchestras . . . they seem popular but rarely seem to add anything "new" to the setlist<img src=pix/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> - okay simplification I know but if the music sounds great live, just bloody play it!!!

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
<b>stevehoweistheMAN wrote:</b>
You know what needs to happen to get Yes in the forefront, happy, succsessful, ect again? Two words:

BRIAN LANE

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<font face='Papyrus'><font size=3><font color=blue>My sentiments exactly, Harrison!!

As for MY opinion on <img src=pix/icon_yes_yes.gif border=0 align=middle> retiring....<b>NOT!!!!</b><img src=pix/icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

But then again, it's not up to me.

It's for the band to decide when enough is enough.</font id=blue></font id=size3></font id='Papyrus'>

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<b><font color=orange>Well, they can always do a "Phil Collins" and make their music more commercially viable. How about some forays into hip-hop, RnB,rap?<img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle> Maybe a better path would be to start a small chain of YES resorts/bar-pub-cafe clubs where they are "in residence" a few times a year, playing requests or putting on prog shows. Also each YES member can do solo shows. They can build a YES resort/club/hotel in Santa Barbara or SLO, Philadelphia, Acapalco, Kansas City, Bahamas, etc.</font id=orange></b>

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Post: # 70904Post yerweb
Sun Jun 06, 2004 5:11 am

Let's put it his way..if Jon goes...YES is in trouble already cuz as much as I love DRAMA...I dont see Trevor Horn coming back to do DRAMA Tour 2006....its up to Jon and if he quits...then classic Yes is over...maybe Trevor Rabin, Squire and White can finally form Cinema (again).

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Post: # 70959Post Stoutman
Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:05 am

well, if they can still deliver the goods live and still feel great performing, no. they are still a great live act even if their albums in recent years (save for the ladder) have been lackluster. just my op.
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Post: # 70979Post TaterMouse
Mon Jun 07, 2004 6:36 am

Retire with dignity? I think they can continue as long as they want and retire with digity. It has taken me some time to see this. There are a few other bands I listen to that could have retired with dignity, but instead of doing this and instead of embarrassing themselves, THEY change so that they could continue sounding good and will still retire with dignity. As long as they sound good, no need to retire. If they don't sound good (gasp) then it just may be simply time for another member change.

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I would like to see two more tours--one hopefully that would encompass a release of new material and one of whatever they wanted to do, then bow out gracefully. Provided, of course, that the remaining tours be recorded for DVD release.

It would pain me to see them be marginalized to a nostalgia act, wheezing their way into town every year and being unable to come close to performing like they once could. Frankie Valli immediately comes to mind--the man couldn't hit a high note today if it had a 100-foot-high bullseye painted on it!

I realize that these tours from 1998-on are probably being done to make up for the money that was frittered away in the 70s, but the fact remains that as of now, these guys sound as good today as they did 30 years ago. How many performers can honestly make that same claim? And that's how I want to remember them--as master musicians how can slice a gnat's eyelash with the sharpness of their notes, as opposed to becoming poster children for talent that has long gone past its prime?
Michael

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Does anyone have concert attendance figures for the first leg of the North American tour? I know that the MSG show was wildly successful, but howzabout the others?

Thanks in advance!

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Post: # 71068Post hennie552001
Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:17 am

I saw Yes on Saturday. Ready for retirement? I don't think so! They played better, more aggresive more, perfect that ever. Probably never been better live. Se short review (incl. spoilers) on the concert topic!

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Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:55 am

PS! One thing Alan White said in an interview yesterday (about: are they getting to old for this): We think it's so great to play together again, that we will probably still play even if we have to be wheeled out in wheelchairs!

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Tue Jun 08, 2004 6:46 am

<font color=green> Hope they don't go unplugged in Florida or Las Vegas shows</font id=green>

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<b>Coalesce wrote:</b>
I would like to see two more tours--one hopefully that would encompass a release of new material and one of whatever they wanted to do, then bow out gracefully. Provided, of course, that the remaining tours be recorded for DVD release.

It would pain me to see them be marginalized to a nostalgia act, wheezing their way into town every year and being unable to come close to performing like they once could. Frankie Valli immediately comes to mind--the man couldn't hit a high note today if it had a 100-foot-high bullseye painted on it!

I realize that these tours from 1998-on are probably being done to make up for the money that was frittered away in the 70s, but the fact remains that as of now, these guys sound as good today as they did 30 years ago. How many performers can honestly make that same claim? And that's how I want to remember them--as master musicians how can slice a gnat's eyelash with the sharpness of their notes, as opposed to becoming poster children for talent that has long gone past its prime?
Michael

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Does anyone have concert attendance figures for the first leg of the North American tour? I know that the MSG show was wildly successful, but howzabout the others?

Thanks in advance!

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