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Post: # 112198Post the greenman
Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:15 pm

well, in response to Yessireebob, I thought I'd start another new thread -and see where it takes us!

the wonderful BBC devoted several hours of programming this weekend to Prog music, but what did it mainly feature? An old, recycled ELP documentary thats been out on DVD for yonks, a whole load of stuff on Genesis (who, imho, stopped being prog when Hackett left - and definately when they gave up writing in preference to jamming in the studio).

Certainly not enough on Yes & nothing I saw about The New Wave of Prog, with all the great new bands out there - Circa, Frost*, Big Big Train to name but three!

Come on BBC, you can do better than this!

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Post: # 112203Post Chris2210
Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:36 pm

Well here's a definition of ambivalence: Sorrow they didn't produce something better and relief I didn't miss something better. ;)
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Post: # 112205Post yesireebob
Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:52 pm

Part of the problem is that the definition of prog music has become a bit stilted. Prog is much more than the reshuffling of former prog bands or music that apes classic prog. This is not criticism of the new wave of prog bands, I love Glass Hammer, the Reasoning, Pure Reason Revolution, Canon, and the Tangent, all of whom I like much more than the current configuration of former classic prog bands. But there are new genres of prog, such as prog-metal or goth-prog, that includes bands like Dream Theater and Nightwish, and bands like Muse channeling the theatricality of bands like Queen. There are also bands who hate the prog label, like Porcupine Tree and Radiohead, yet are as progressive as anything out there. There are of bands that defy description, such as Elbow of the Doves. Some see them as strictly "alternative" yet there is a definite, compelling prog element to their music. It harkens to the old question of "what is prog, anyway?" A new band that I was impressed with last year was Flobots, who combined hip-hop with organic music rather than samples or beat-box. And one of my absolute all-time favorite artists, ever, is Bjork, who has always been and continues to be a complete original who never stops experimenting with not just music, but sound itself.

It seems the BBC needs a more adventurous approach to exploring prog. The issue is not one of not enough new music, but not enough time!

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Post: # 112208Post Dr_Yes
Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:18 pm

the greenman wrote:well, in response to Yessireebob, I thought I'd start another new thread -and see where it takes us!

the wonderful BBC devoted several hours of programming this weekend to Prog music, but what did it mainly feature? An old, recycled ELP documentary thats been out on DVD for yonks, a whole load of stuff on Genesis (who, imho, stopped being prog when Hackett left - and definately when they gave up writing in preference to jamming in the studio).

Certainly not enough on Yes & nothing I saw about The New Wave of Prog, with all the great new bands out there - Circa, Frost*, Big Big Train to name but three!

Come on BBC, you can do better than this!

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I have to agree. I watched the sad tired offerings on 2nd December expecting a more positive and enlightened reappraisal of Prog. But all I got was the same 'ol same 'ol really, admittedly with less mocking scorn from the likes of Charles 'what a twunt' Shaar-Murray. Though I note they repeated Prog Rock: Timsshift over the weekend too so we got a double-dose of Bill Bruford's 'witty' humour and derision where Yes is concerned and some more shots of Wakeman's ill-considered Icecapade.

I just wish someone within the research/production team at the Beeb had the balls to explore more of the positives rather than mock most of the time. And why such a focus on the Canterbury Scene? I thought that was a mistake. Mind you, Robert Wyatt was cool and some parts of the documentary were illuminating. But overall, a real letdown - again.

And if I have to watch the same footage of Keith Emerson knifing his fecking organ once more, or ELP driving across the US in three lorries, or Peter Gabriel singing "a flower", I'll fecking scream.

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Post: # 112209Post tribute1969
Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:20 pm

I DO like the "Title" of this thread...

Nil Recurring is on right now!!

Enjoying the discussions.....
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Post: # 112211Post the greenman
Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:16 pm

tribute1969 wrote:I DO like the "Title" of this thread...

Nil Recurring is on right now!!

Enjoying the discussions.....
ah good! now we/re motoring!!

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Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:40 pm

tribute1969 wrote:I DO like the "Title" of this thread...

Nil Recurring is on right now!!

Enjoying the discussions.....
I like the title, too...

"Suffocating the Bloom" by Echolyn is on right now.

Yes, prog is quite larger than "The Big Five", who, for the most part, starting sputtering out years ago.

I wouldn't expect any TV show to effectively cover the development and current state of progressive music. If I want to learn about what's going on in the prog world, I'll hang out at Yestalk. ;)
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Post: # 112224Post tardistraveler
Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:44 pm

Dang, I thought we were going to see the carnage of peacocks trashing lavalamps! ;)

Sounds like that BBC documentary was just a rehash of certain aspects of 70's prog . . .

It would be very interesting if someone made a documentary looking at the roots of prog in the 60's-70's, and then tracing the impact through the years to later bands, and ending with today's bands. The influence is there, and there's still some wonderful music being made that I would consider VERY prog. Linda has mentioned a lot of those, and she does a wonderful job keeping pace with the newer things, and letting us know about them . . . everyone should pay attention when she posts about the new stuff . . . :)

RL is a good source too - she has connections with prog musicians and knows about many of the new things coming down the pike.

I've been fortunate in that my son and his friends are prog-friendly, and they've turned me on to some newer things as well . . . and vice-versa . . . there's still LOTS of good music being made out there . . . you just have to look for it . . .


But back to the topic, I think those lavalamps are going to have a hard time defending themselves against peacocks since, you know, they're not really ambulatory . . . :rolleyes:

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Post: # 112233Post tribute1969
Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:44 pm

But lava lamps are hypnotic and can "control" what a peacock does and where it goes.....
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Post: # 112238Post tardistraveler
Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:00 pm

tribute1969 wrote:But lava lamps are hypnotic and can "control" what a peacock does and where it goes.....

Hmmm . . . that conjures up some strange images . . .

And lava lamps DO come in peacock colors . . . ;)

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Post: # 112241Post Roan's Lady
Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:21 am

Would anyone fancy a discussion on staplers? Shower drain gunk? Tire pressure gauges? Uvulas?


What's the topic of this thread, anyway? ;)
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Post: # 112242Post tribute1969
Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:10 am

BBC programs on prog music, etc and a few sidebars...
You're just so easily distracted.....concentrate!!

I watch many of the same types of programs on IFC/Sundance.
Last night there was one on Robyn Hitchcock on Sundance...
The Ramones today....

http://www.endofthecentury.com/CenturyR ... essKit.pdf

http://www.sundancechannel.com/spotlights/210200800

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robyn_Hitchcock


Lava Lamps are featured in many musical scenes
as props to create the proper mood of the time....
Peacocks, staplers, shower drain gunk and tire pressure gauges are not.

Saw some Uvulas during the loud notes...especially on Joey Ramone!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNTEv_xBMWQ
Looks like something else too!!

Buy yourself a "drain snake" for that shower drain gunk problem...


Roan's Lady wrote:Would anyone fancy a discussion on staplers? Shower drain gunk? Tire pressure gauges? Uvulas?


What's the topic of this thread, anyway? ;)
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Post: # 112244Post Greenglade's Frog
Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:44 am

What does thread have to do with squirrels, the unacknowledged legislators of the suburbs?
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Post: # 112245Post Roan's Lady
Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:44 am

tribute1969 wrote:
Buy yourself a "drain snake" for that shower drain gunk problem...
Who said anything about a problem?
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Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:45 am

Greenglade's Frog wrote:What does thread have to do with squirrels, the unacknowledged legislators of the suburbs?
I have a great idea. Start a thread on Squirrels; The Unacknowledged Legislators of the Suburbs.

That's about the funniest thing I've read from you in months - I mean it.
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Post: # 112255Post yesireebob
Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:46 am

In Arizona, that would be citrus-eating roof rats, not squirrels. The Unacknowledged Magistrates of the Suburbs.

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Post: # 112256Post Tomfoolery
Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:47 am

tribute1969 wrote:....You're just so easily distracted.....concentrate!!


Concentrate? Ain't that what store bought orange juice and grapefruit juice are made from?
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Post: # 112284Post Roan's Lady
Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:35 pm

Tomfoolery wrote:Concentrate? Ain't that what store bought orange juice and grapefruit juice are made from?
Not "Tropicana" Orange Juice. No concentrate there, baby...

You'd be a fool not to drink "Tropicana". :cool:
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Post: # 112288Post tribute1969
Thu Jan 08, 2009 4:46 am

I am WAY too non-anal to use use brain cells for that!

I'd rather mix orange juice or grapefruit juice with vodka
while watching these documentaries, and avoiding spell checking!
I prefer the fresh squeezed variety rather than concentrate anyway...

Watching a Heart documentary tomorrow
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Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:06 am

Heart Link
http://www.photofeatures.com/heart/

I feel as if the peacocks are being discriminated against now...
I feel bad for them...

Roan's Lady wrote:I have a great idea. Start a thread on Squirrels; The Unacknowledged Legislators of the Suburbs.

That's about the funniest thing I've read from you in months - I mean it.
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Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:35 am

You're right, there is another yestalker that has that problem
I've been trying to assist....and they have their own snake!
Roan's Lady wrote:Who said anything about a problem?
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Post: # 112291Post tribute1969
Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:36 am

With or Without PULP..???
Roan's Lady wrote:Not "Tropicana" Orange Juice. No concentrate there, baby...

You'd be a fool not to drink "Tropicana". :cool:
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Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:59 am

I prefer "heavy pulp" .... and I also prefer grapefruit juice to orange juice....
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Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:48 am

Dr_Yes wrote:I have to agree. I watched the sad tired offerings on 2nd December expecting a more positive and enlightened reappraisal of Prog. But all I got was the same 'ol same 'ol really, admittedly with less mocking scorn from the likes of Charles 'what a twunt' Shaar-Murray. Though I note they repeated Prog Rock: Timsshift over the weekend too so we got a double-dose of Bill Bruford's 'witty' humour and derision where Yes is concerned and some more shots of Wakeman's ill-considered Icecapade.

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And if I have to watch the same footage of Keith Emerson knifing his fecking organ once more, or ELP driving across the US in three lorries, or Peter Gabriel singing "a flower", I'll fecking scream.

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Ain't that the truth! I was looking forwards to the program, but as usual with these kind of things, I was left feeling disappointed. It's unfortunate that there aren't the kind of visuals available that we would have of bands today, but the real letdown was in the piss-poor commentary, which seems to be aimed at casual listeners, rather than those who were there at the time, or have done their homework.

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Post: # 112311Post tardistraveler
Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:17 pm

tribute1969 wrote:With or Without PULP..???

If without pulp, would that be "Pulp Fiction"??? :D

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Post: # 112337Post Tomfoolery
Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:47 am

tardistraveler wrote:If without pulp, would that be "Pulp Fiction"??? :D

Wouldn't that be an untrue story?
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