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I got my Yessymphonic DVD!

Post: # 785Post dwass
Mon May 13, 2002 5:26 am

On Friday I got my copy of the Yessymphonic DVD (you know, the show filmed in Amsterdam on the last tour). I've seen bits and parts of it, but haven't sat through the whole thing yet (my wife always has lots of plans for me on weekends). Anyway, I will write up a review sometime this week when I get a chance, but I was really curious that nobody had beat me to it. I realize the video isn't out in the US yet, but I had really expected something already from some of our friends in the UK.

Or am I just missing something?

Oh, by the way...is anyone interested in my opinion of the video? Or should I just not bother?

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Mon May 13, 2002 5:43 am

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Post: # 19886Post perpetualchanger
Mon May 13, 2002 6:20 am

dwass, there's another topic in album talk that I think is about this same DVD, so you might want to check in there. Only a couple people have seen it. I'm not one of them!

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Post: # 19889Post Astral traveller
Mon May 13, 2002 6:31 am

Oh, I wasn't aware that it was out in Europe already!!
If it's out in Germany, it should be out here too.
gonna buy it first thing tomorrow.

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Post: # 19940Post fragilesi
Mon May 13, 2002 7:09 pm

Oh my God!!! Somehow I didn't realise it was out, and I've been looking forwards to this for ages. Looks like I'd better go shopping tomorrow . . .

In the meantime, yes go for the review!

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Post: # 19948Post Chris2210
Mon May 13, 2002 7:51 pm

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<b>dwass wrote:</b>

Oh, by the way...is anyone interested in my opinion of the video? Or should I just not bother?

-DWass
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I still fondly remember your Leipzig review (I hope that <i>was you</i> now, lol). So I would certainly appreciate your opinion of the new disc. It hasn't appeared in my local MVC yet - I'll be looking out for it on my next trip to the big HMV shop in Leeds.

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Post: # 19951Post Astral traveller
Mon May 13, 2002 7:52 pm

Just went to the shops, and it still wasn't there! still have to wait, then.

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Post: # 19982Post caleban
Tue May 14, 2002 3:01 am

hey astral traveller, did you make it to that show?
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??? Did I miss something?

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Post: # 20043Post CoinsAndCrosses
Tue May 14, 2002 1:18 pm

Anyone know who the director of the Yes Symphonic DVD is? I've heard it is someone special.....my guess is Cameron Crowe since he is a director and has ties to Yes with days as a writer with Rolling Stone....anyone know for sure yet??....chris

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Tue May 14, 2002 1:42 pm

dwass,
I am waiting for your review! I am really curious since I have heard from some that the Amsterdam concert wasn't one of their better concerts! So please give us you opinions ASAP!<img src=pix/icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_yes_yes.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Post: # 20093Post Astral traveller
Wed May 15, 2002 12:43 am

Now I've got it too!!!!!!! went to buy it today.

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Post: # 20169Post Ra
Wed May 15, 2002 6:37 pm

Hi there!

As I already stated otherwise: I bought YESSYMPHONIC yesterday.

It was a divine coincidence: I went to the store and was only looking for the soundtrack of STAR WARS II (got that one, too - expensive day it was!), and -ZONGG!!- there I saw the cover motive that I already had discovered on www.yesworld.com

And here comes the really freaky part of it:

I don't have any DVD-player yet; I'll buy a used PS2 only next week and use it as a DVD-player as well as a gaming console.

So I can only look at the treasure that hit me so unexpectedly and that I yet couldn't resist to buy.

Now I ask you: Is Ra a devoted YES-fan or IS Ra a devoted YES-fan?

Well, maybe he's only just another small, strung-out maniac ... sympathetic, yes indeed, but a little strung out ...

Who cares!
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Post: # 20253Post dwass
Thu May 16, 2002 6:58 am

OK, I still haven't sat through the whole thing uninterrupted (too busy at work), but I've seen enough to write down my first impressions.

First off, to answer a question that was posed in this thread, the director of the concert video is Aubrey Powell (never heard of him myself).

Secondly, to some details about the disk itself. This is a 2-DVD package, containing 1 dual-layer DVD (with the concert) and one single-layer DVD (with the Don't Go video and the "Dreamtime" documentary). It is region code 0, so it will play on any DVD player. Since I dont have any television set in my house, we play DVDs on Macintosh computers here :-) Audio is Dolby stereo, Doby surround (5.1) and DTS. Packaging is nice. Uses the Magnification themes. The concert video has some animations that you can enable or disable, for people who like to watch pictures of abstract objects floating in space instead of watching musicians play ;-)

The Concert video contains all the tunes that were played on the recent Yessymphonic European tour, including "Gates of Delirium", "Magnification", "Don't Go", "In the Presence Of", "Owner of a Lonely Heart", as well as others (see the Yesworld site for more information). Total running time: 194 minutes

The rest is all my opinion. Your mileage may vary!

Video quality is excellent. Colors are vibrant, focus is crystal clear. They must have used dozens of cameras. There are front shots, back shots, side shots, overhead shots, zoom in, zoom out. They made effective use of the mirrors on stage as well. Pretty even coverage of all band members (including Tom Brislin on the Keyboards) as well as the orchestra. I felt that the shots of the orchestra were especially well placed.

Audio quality sounded pretty good to me, considering I was watching on an iMac (with built-in Harman Kardon sound system) and on a G4 with mediocre active computer loudspeakers. At some point I'll try hooking this up to my high-end stereo system to see what it sounds like. The mix was perfect (IMHO). You could hear everything. Chris' thundering bass, Steve's every note, Drums, keys, and the orchestra was at just the right level: Not overpowering, but always there.

I saw this concert in Frankfurt at the Alte Oper (seats about 2500) and in Duesseldorf in some horrible hall (seats about 8000). I'd say that the hall in Amsterdam where this was filmed is probably similar in size and acoustics to the hall in Duesseldorf where I saw this concert. If that's the case, it sounds a hell of a lot better on the DVD than it probably did in the concert hall!

On the whole, I think the numbers that work best in this video are the tunes from Magnification, especially "In the Presence Of" (a great rendition), and "Magnification". If I remember correctly this was only maybe the 5th or 6th time they had played Magnification on the tour.

Steve Howe got his solo guitar set on the video as well, with 2 of my absolute favorite tunes, "Mood for a Day" and Vivaldi's "Lute Concerto in D, 2nd Movement", both on classical guitar. These were also the pieces he played in Frankfurt at the Alte Oper.

In comparision to the 2 concerts I saw in Germany on this tour, I think that Jon's voice was somewhat hoarse and rough in the concert video. Not anything really off-putting, but I think he sang better, clearer in Germany.

I think generally the band members seemed somewhat stiff on the video, compared to the concerts I saw in Germany. Certainly this isn't a reason not to get it, or not to enjoy it, but I do think that maybe the additional pressure of "getting it right" for the video may have wound everyone up just a notch too tight.

As a guitar player and Steve Howe fan, I would have been a bit more picky about where they placed Steve's cameras. You can hardly see any of his right-hand movements during the entire "Gates of Delirium" because the twin steel guitar on its stand was directly between the camera and Steve's Telecaster (groan). I know, this is me being really picky, but what are reviews supposed to be for anyway? ;-) For those of you who aren't guitar players, you probably won't even notice.

The closing "shortened" version of Roundabout is a lot of fun, but I don't want to spoil everything, so I'll leave this as a teaser to make you go out and buy it!

The biggest problem for me is that it just doesn't convey the same excitement and feeling that I had when I was at the concerts in person. Now, that may change when I sit through the whole thing from beginning to end, uninterrupted. On the other hand, maybe there is no way to convey the exceitement of a live concert on a video. I need more time before I'm really sure about that.

I'm sure I paid too much (28 Euros plus shipping), but I got it weeks before any of you in the US, and that makes it worth the extra money :-)

Oh, the "Dreamtime" documentary has some interesting bits. Talks a little about the tour and the making of the Magnification album. Contains (recent) interviews with all the band members, Tom Brislin, the orchestra arranger (Larry Groupe), some fans, and others. Nothing really earthshattering here, but fun to watch.

I hope I wasn't too boring, or too technical, or too negative. As concert video's go, I think it was really really good. Maybe with this I can get my kids to listen now...

-DWass (Frankfurt Germany)

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Post: # 20260Post Altair
Thu May 16, 2002 8:26 am

Very helpful review! I'm sold. <img src=pix/silly.gif border=0 align=middle>

Seriously though, I plan on getting this one. I, too, haven't bought a DVD player, yet.

Interesting; your note on Steve's camera views. I'm a beginning guitar player and love to watch him in action. I'm sure the lack of coverage will bug me, but oh well.

Also, I'm really pissed off that they didn't play "Magnification" on the US leg of the tour. They'd better play it this time around!!!

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Fri May 17, 2002 10:24 am

<font color=red>Cool, thanks for the insights Dwass! Timely too--I just bought a DVD player today, and with SACD for the Magnification disc(Is that out yet? I've delayed buying a copy until it comes out in that format, and can jam on this high-end sound I've been hearing about . . .). Paul the Punker at my local record store tells me the new DVD will be in on Tuesday, so I'll comment after that.

Oh yeah, I really splurged today--while I was in the shop, I bought a new receiver too, some 600 bucks! Hey, my old "receiver" has a built in 8-track player, so I was due! <img src=pix/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Now I can also hook up the turntable again, which I probably bought before Renato was born! <img src=pix/icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

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<font color=red>Cool, thanks for the insights Dwass! Timely too--I just bought a DVD player today, and with SACD for the Magnification disc(Is that out yet? I've delayed buying a copy until it comes out in that format, and can jam on this high-end sound I've been hearing about . . .). Paul the Punker at my local record store tells me the new DVD will be in on Tuesday, so I'll comment after that.

Oh yeah, I really splurged today--while I was in the shop, I bought a new receiver too, some 600 bucks! Hey, my old "receiver" has a built in 8-track player, so I was due! <img src=pix/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Now I can also hook up the turntable again, which I probably bought before Renato was born! <img src=pix/icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

Now if I can only keep from getting another noise complaint violation . . . <img src=pix/icon_smokin.gif border=0 align=middle></font id=red>

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I've got a bit of bad news for you, prof. Mag is scheduled to be released with the DVD-Audio format, not SACD, and that can't be played on a SACD compatible player. Blame Sony! remember the Beta VCR format? Sony thinks that their size warrants a unique format, and they are wrong again!

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Post: # 20403Post yeskat
Fri May 17, 2002 11:47 am

Thanks for the review, dwass! Can't wait to get it! Now when is it supposed to come out here in the US? I think it's already been postponed once! Oh, well... patience!<img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

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<b>relayer4u wrote:</b>
I've got a bit of bad news for you, prof. Mag is scheduled to be released with the DVD-Audio format, not SACD, and that can't be played on a SACD compatible player. Blame Sony! remember the Beta VCR format? Sony thinks that their size warrants a unique format, and they are wrong again!

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Sorry Ray - but I think you'll find there is already much more software available for SACD than DVD-A ,and Sony have licensed the technology to other OEMs.

You're right that the Yes disc is going to be DVD-A <img src=pix/icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle> which is increasingly looking like next year's Betamax (looks like Yes' management have gone and consistently backed the donkey<img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>). At least it will contain a 5.1 mix-down in standard MPEG encoding - which means it will play back on any DVD player, albeit not at the 24bit 192Khz-sampled optimum rate of the DVD-Audio format.

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Sorry Ray - but I think you'll find there is already much more software available for SACD than DVD-A ,and Sony have licensed the technology to other OEMs.
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Chris, if you investigate a little further you will find that many of the SACD disks that have been released are stereo disks only, no multi track audio whatsoever. Who's crappy idea was that? SONY. They remember the Betamax as well as I do. Sony happens to have access to allot of music catalogs, via their aquasition activity.

What better way to prove that your new format is the dominant player than to flood the shops with some re-formated stereo SACDs?

Sony is now trying to catch up with DVD-A, by releasing multi track disks too.

DVD-A disks are all multi-track, and I think you'll agree that it's a lot more difficult to re-master 2 channel sound into 6 channels than to just whip out some stereo disks with different encoding.

As for other manufactures producing SACD compatible machines, so far only Apex, Marantz, Philips and Pioneer have aligned with Sony.

DVD-A machines are being produced by Apex, Denon, JVC, Kenwood, Mitsubishi, Onkyo, Panasonic/Technics, Pioneer, Toshiba and Yamaha.

At this point, there are approximately 165 titles available for DVD-A, so I wouldn't say that it is going to fade away anytime soon!




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Post: # 20908Post Chris2210
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Chris, if you investigate a little further you will find that many of the SACD disks that have been released are stereo disks only, no multi track audio whatsoever. Who's crappy idea was that? SONY. They remember the Betamax as well as I do. Sony happens to have access to allot of music catalogs, via their aquasition activity.

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Yeah, I agree - ironically it is the other labels (like Telarc) who seem to be making healthier efforts with their disc production. But it may well be a ploy that works in the long run - software is usually the key to technology take-up in the consumer market-place.

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Sony is now trying to catch up with DVD-A, by releasing multi track disks too.

DVD-A disks are all multi-track, and I think you'll agree that it's a lot more difficult to re-master 2 channel sound into 6 channels than to just whip out some stereo disks with different encoding.
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Yet ironically (as far as I understand it), it is only the DVD-A Stereo mix-downs that deliver the full 24-bit 192Khz data rate. The format trades sampling frequency as it adds extra channels. Most audiophiles will always set the highest fidelity as their ultimate goal. If you want multi-channel playback there is always compromise in suitability of speaker style and configuration for cinema-style surround and music only sound-stages.

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As for other manufactures producing SACD compatible machines, so far only Apex, Marantz, Philips and Pioneer have aligned with Sony.
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And what's more Philips/Marantz are the same company, as are Pioneer/Technics! But Accuphse (never heard of 'em), Denon, Kenwood, Aiwa and Sharp are also selling (or due to) their own branded SACD players. I read recently that Sony have licensed their DACs to Arcam to produce a reference system for the format which would then be sub-licensed to the rest of the industry.

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DVD-A machines are being produced by Apex, Denon, JVC, Kenwood, Mitsubishi, Onkyo, Panasonic/Technics, Pioneer, Toshiba and Yamaha.

At this point, there are approximately 165 titles available for DVD-A, so I wouldn't say that it is going to fade away anytime soon!

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It may be just over here, but the DVD-A format is really struggling - you only see the players in specialist Hi-Fi stores and the 165 titles (and I haven't seen a single one in record stores, {I've seen the odd SACD here and there}) aren't that many from the tens of thousands of music titles in the current catalogue. A relaunch is being planned for the Autumn. Sony are playing a clever game by including the SACD circuitry in all their mid-range DVD players, including the all-in-one surround systems. Which means a lot of people are going to get the hardware by default which will probably create a snowball effect.

There doesn't seem to be any strong consensus in the HiFi press over which is the superior format, but ultimately that isn't going to count for much. Sony's clout and leverage of software puts them in a strong position in our Multi-national Mega-bastard led markets.

Personally I hope both formats survive. Currently only Technics (which Matsushita are due to discontinue as a separate brand from Panasonic) produce a deck which will play both formats and that's an expensive choice...

Proponents of the DVD-A standard hoped the format would piggyback on the success of DVD Video. That might happen, but then again, do you remember DCC?

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Post: # 20917Post Chris2210
Wed May 22, 2002 11:57 pm

Managed to cock that one - I couldn't get the damn thing to preview. I hope it's decipherable - I don't want to choke up the thread with a revision I'd no doubt manage to fuck-up some other way.<img src=pix/silly.gif border=0 align=middle>

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That's Panasonic/Technics(Matsushita) of course, as I've now noticed you alluded to yourself!

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Post: # 20963Post relayer4u
Thu May 23, 2002 8:31 am

I really hate when two "improved" formats come out at the same time!
I'm going to go to "Best Buy" (a huge US electronics and music chain in the USA)this weekend and try and get a count of available software and hardware. If I notice any peculiar or different maketing ploys (positioning of software in the store) I'll make note of that too. My impression, from a US consumer standpoint, is that DVD-A has the lead in market share, but hey, I've been wrong before!

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Post: # 20985Post Chris2210
Thu May 23, 2002 5:12 pm

The waters couldn't be a lot muddier than on this one could they? On top of the technical differences there's unevenly reproduced back-catalogue, (not to mention varying quality on newly recorded discs), compromises on mixing/encoding and speaker set-up, marketing wars, industry alliances and varying take-up in different global regions. Not confusing at all really... Good luck if you're thinking of buying. Me I'm gonna wait and see. After all 'Blue Ray' is just around the corner (no... I'm going to be strong and resist the terrible pun... wait a minute didn't I make it anyway? Doh!).

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Fri May 24, 2002 2:25 pm

I'm not sure how much difference it makes: Now my speakers are blown, at least the woofers. I just wanted a new DVD and CD player, and wonder if I'd notice the high-bit at all. I may try to check out a classical album in the format ("Firebird Suite?") to see how that hits me. I'm not sure it'll make much difference to me . . . <img src=pix/icon_smokin.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Post: # 24255Post john i white
Sat Jul 06, 2002 5:22 pm

I got the DVD the other day from Amazon!

I watched while my wife was away playing badminton. Couple of beers, lights out.

I was a bit shocked at the crappiness of the 'Don't Go' video and was worried that the concert would look as amateur! The documentary [watched it again last night] is also very shoddy indeed but enjoyable enough. It;s hard to hear what the band is saying sometimes - although often when I hear what Jon is trying say I wish I hadn't. He can be quite inarticulate at times - fails to make a clear point. "What is this guy on about?". Chris comes accross very well, i must say. Generally though it's all a bit 'home movie'.

THE CONCERT

I won't add much here, DWASS has done a good job but I must say that I am frustrated my the crap audio mix. Now, when I saw this tour live - Steve was loud and clear - on here I can barely hear him. Was he involved in the mixing? Has he become too self-conscious and doesn't want to be heard? Maybe it was just this concert? Or my TV? I recall at the concert, during G.O.D. Steve was loud and really rocking and wailing - here, I can barely hear him. It kills the music. I haven't even mentioned that he sounds quite hesitant, often a little behind everyone else - sluggish really. 'Close to the Edge' is a shocker as it was at the concert. It's so DEAD. Too slow. A really terrible opener. The opening section of this song should rock your socks off! I looked forward to this more than ANYTHING when I went to the concert last year and was just depressed by it. Steve seems to have turned the fuzz-box too tastefully low. Also the orchestra is muted. Now DWASS says he can hear everything - do I really have to go out and spend a thousand quid on Audio gear to hear this concert properly?

Now having said all of that I really enjoyed the concert on this - nearly 3 hours long just like the one I attended. 'Ritual' is wonderful as are the 'Mag' tunes. On the former the group drumming section is as I remember it - billiant! I'm surprised that in all the years that Jon, a seasoned performer has been at this he hasn't polished his banter/spiel more. I mean he sounds like a stoned hippy - confused - when introducing the songs! The band also could do with moving about and smiling more. Tom Brislin has the right idea! But who am I to tell someone how to behave? Especially people in their mid-50s who are more interested in the MUSIC.

I was surprised at how much I enjoyed 'Owner' on this - I had been dreading it. I do like the song but it seems a bit 'populist' or something for this classic giant of a band to to play it. It was very good. Also, all these people moaning "I wish they'd stop playing 'Roundabout'!" I loved it at the gig and here. It's so much fun and relaxing - an uncomplicated and rocking song for the end of a mammoth set.

Atmosphere - it's a bit of a dull looking set-up. The lighting is as I remember it, pretty ordinary. No flashy stuff. At the concert I thought it worked but strangely, on the DVD it doesn't. I think the static looking performers would have benefited from some animated lighting.

To sum up - buy this DVD - you'll have a great evening. Just think: "I have my favourite band playing the concert that I saw/missed inside this little disc - playing their hearts out just for me whenever I want!"

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Mon Jul 08, 2002 10:40 am

<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'>Other than a few rather inexplicable drop-offs, I found this DVD to be far superior qualitatively speaking than any of its predecesors. I also thought it was about high time Alan got his share of close-ups with exceptional clarity. All in all, I think it was done quite well. The orchestra is by no means overwhelming nor did I find them excessively subdued in the mix. Not that Sire Squire is incapable of rendering sufficient bottom, but the additional bottom the body of the orchestra provided I thought was really tastefully applied.

The one thing I really noticed beyond the aforementioned observations was Tom Brislin's skill. Wow! This guy really is good isn't he? What the hell was he doing wasting his time with the human haystack, Meat Loaf? Though he couldn't quite emulate the Wakeman sound, the notes were there, fast and true!

This is a marvelous DVD, damn nicely done in all aspects! I'd recommend it to everyone...including Bill Bruford, owing to Alan's phenomenal performance during this show!</font id='Papyrus'></font id=red><img src=pix/icon_smokin.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_yes_yes2.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/icon_yes_talis.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Mon Jul 08, 2002 11:30 pm

N2YES - you're spot on there - Alan is quite simply astonishing throughout the entire show. I taped the concert last night so that I could listen to it in my car on the way to work this morning and I was amazed at some of the things he was doing - he sounds like he's really having fun out there!!!

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Tue Jul 09, 2002 12:28 am

I don't understand why people are having a problem with the audio quality. Mine is superb - the best I've heard - and far better than Keys which sucks. The mix on mine is great through a hi-fi and everything is clear.

P.S. Anyone know who the hippy is dancing in the aisles during Ritual? Superb, great to know there are still some people like him around!

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P.S. Anyone know who the hippy is dancing in the aisles during Ritual? Superb, great to know there are still some people like him around!
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