5 Worst Yes Albums (you knew it was coming)

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5 Worst Yes Albums (you knew it was coming)

Post: # 1367Post WalrusOct9
Fri Aug 09, 2002 3:34 am

This had to be done...besides, this will be even more controvertial...hehe...

1. Open Your Eyes. As a Squire/Sherwood album, it might have been decent, but even the "solo album" excuse couldn't save the tepid songwriting on this disc. The best track on the album is the opener, a marginally decent Yes tune at best, and it's all downhill after that.

2. Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman & Howe. This what happens when 70's rockers attempt to use 80's sounds and technology to try to make an album that sounds like their 70's albums. The pieces are mostly extended compositions, except they're all forced, bland pieces of music, made even worse by the worst Wakeman keyboard sounds ever to appear on a Yes-related album. Bruford's electronic drums add to the insult, and Howe barely gets a word in over all the synthesized keys and drums.

3. Tormato. Bad production, bad keyboard sounds, egos, and a genuine lack of solid musical ideas, all at once. Bad combination.

4. Big Generator. This one's not as much bad as it is boring. The two real standout tracks ("ROL" and "Shoot High") are somewhat lost among a whole series of bland tunes, none of which really stand out over the others.

5. The Keys To Ascension studio tracks. 18 years since those 5 guys recorded together and this was the best they could come up with? At least the production is listenable, and the sounds are good, but the songs are still pretty weak, definately a far cry from their better 70's work, which the songs obviously tried very hard to emulate.

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Post: # 27348Post Astral traveller
Fri Aug 09, 2002 4:55 am

<font color=maroon>1. Big generator
2. Open your eyes
3. Yes 1
4. The Ladder
5. Talk</font id=maroon>

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Post: # 27428Post bataisflow
Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:00 am

OYE
Talk
Union
BG
90125

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Post: # 27433Post Sam
Sat Aug 10, 2002 3:15 am

OK - I'll play. To me far and away the number one is:

1. Magnification - this is absolutely awful. Way too much Jon Anderson influence on this one. Alan White playing keyboards?! What in the hell were they thinking - abominable.

2. Open Your Eyes - the first three tracks on this one I really like. Its a bit downhill from there, however.

3. Drama - Sorry, I know a lot of people here like this one, but I miss Jon's singing on this one (although on Magnification, I wish he would shut up).

4. ABWH - This was my very first CD, and I like it a good bit. Bill's drum sound drives me crazy though and I really miss the contribution from Chris on the vocals. Tony Levin does a good job with the bass, I just miss Chris singing.

5. 1st album - too raw, but a hint of great things to come.

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Post: # 27457Post WalrusOct9
Sat Aug 10, 2002 6:57 am

Man, I totally forgot about Union...knock "Keys" off my list and replace it with Union. Union would rank 4th on the worst albums list. All the ABWH tracks on this album are just painful, only the excellent "Lift Me Up" and the awful sounding but catchy "Saving My Heart" salvage this one. The intro to "Miracle Of Life" is genius but the main part of the song is pretty weak.

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Post: # 27489Post DTArtstar
Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:32 am

1. Open Your Eyes

I love From The Balcony and the title track and New State Of Mind, but the rest falls kind of weak.

2. Time And A Word

Nothing really stands out on here to me, except the title song

3. Yes

I LOVE Yesterday And Today and I See You, but that's basically it

4. 90125

Big Generator stands up A LOT better than this one IMO.

5. The Yes Album

Yep...I love YIND, and PC...but the rest is overplayed and I'd rather listen to something new and different

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<b>DTArtstar wrote:</b>
1. Open Your Eyes

I love From The Balcony and the title track and New State Of Mind, but the rest falls kind of weak.

2. Time And A Word

Nothing really stands out on here to me, except the title song

3. Yes

I LOVE Yesterday And Today and I See You, but that's basically it

4. 90125

Big Generator stands up A LOT better than this one IMO.

5. The Yes Album

Yep...I love YIND, and PC...but the rest is overplayed and I'd rather listen to something new and different


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Well, you've stunned the shit outta me! I never thought I'd live to see the day that someone would put The Yes Album on a 5 worst Yes album list. go figure, I guess....

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Post: # 27516Post HeartOfTheSunrise
Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:25 pm

i was thinking "what was he thinking" regarding TYA being fifth worse

i, funny enough, had it fifth best - over fragile which was not on my top five list and probably falls closer to ten than six

i also have completey forgotten that big generator exists, and, let's just say, i never bought tormato on CD (i have it on vinyl, pretty much unscratched if you know what i mean) THAT was a letdown from it's predecesor, seemingly on everyone's top five list, GFTO

i bought the ladder first of the post-90125 era, then talk, OYE, Union and so on from the nineties but before MAG came out

i don't count ABWH as a YES album (there is another thread regarding this issue somewhere in YEStalk)

i don't think the oldtimers give the newer stuff it's due

relisten to solution and endless dream - give it a chance

maybe i just love Jon too much

oh, my five worst?

BG, YES (first album), TAAW but i looooooove the title cut, Tormato
(love silent wings and onward though)

aaaaaaand , fiiiiiinally, 90125 but love It Can Happen and Changes

it's just that, if i had to go away for the weekend or something, and i couldn't take allll my YES stuff, i would have to leave these behind

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
<b>HeartOfTheSunrise wrote:</b>
it's just that, if i had to go away for the weekend or something, and i couldn't take allll my YES stuff, i would have to leave these behind

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Well I've gone away from home for a couple of MONTHS (currently, actually)! So if the criteria is 'what albums you've left behind', then I didn't bring The Yes Album, Fragile, CTTE, Going For the One, Tormato, OR Drama, but I DID bring all the Rabin-era albums, Open Your Eyes, and Magnification! <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>
Does that make me an evil person?? <img src=pix/salook.gif border=0 align=middle>

P.S. I also brought Relayer and Tales... as well as a whole crapload of Yes bootlegs with basically every song from the 70's albums! <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> Just to clarify, you know!

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<b>bataisflow wrote:</b>
OYE
Talk
Union
BG
90125
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I couldn't agree more.

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Post: # 27536Post styesosuce
Sun Aug 11, 2002 12:08 am

1. Open Your Eyes - Open Your Eyes & New State Of Mind rock, all else suffers
2. 9012Live - not long enough
3. ABWH - Bruford out of control, no Squire
4. Talk - too much Rabin
5. Drama - not long enough, too much Horn

However - I'm not sure it's possible to have a "bad" Yes Album.

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Sun Aug 11, 2002 1:06 am

Welcome styesosuce,

I don't think there's a bad Yes album either. Make yourself at home, and enjoy.

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Post: # 27541Post psychopomp95
Sun Aug 11, 2002 1:25 am

Agreed, I don't find any Yes albums bad... the weakest ones in my mind are, no particular order:

Tales - I've said enough about this one! <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
Tormato - too cluttered, and some plain silly stuff. A few gems though.
OYE - all the songs sound too similar; I think the best ones are 'New State of Mind' and 'No Way We Can Lose' (a laid-back, bluesy vibe in a Yes song, who'da thunk it??), but most of the others don't have much identity!
9012Live - release the whole concert fer Godssakes!! <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> I don't care WHO is in the band, a live album with <b>just</b> the solos is not gonna be very good!
Keys - too contrived and retro... I don't really get the sense of adventure that I do from just about ALL of Yes' other music (even Tales and Tormato)!

It's good that I can include 9012Live, cuz otherwise I'd have trouble deciding on the fifth one... <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Post: # 27587Post massos
Sun Aug 11, 2002 5:24 pm

Boy, I remember you not likeing Magnification Sam, but putting it in as their worst album. I've got it in my top five!

1. ABWH - A complete sonic mess
2. KTA - Wakeman's keyboard sounds are appalling
3. Onion - Barring some good Rabin tracks the ABWH and corporate influence creates another sonic mess
4. Big Generator
5. The Ladder - After initially liking this album it now bores me?

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Post: # 27621Post Stoutman
Mon Aug 12, 2002 8:10 am

I remember starting a thread like this when I first came here,but since then, my choices have changed a little. I always these top 5 and bottom 5 threads,so i can`t resist. However,i`m not in a long -winded mood,so here goes;
1. Open Your Eyes- God Save Us!!!!!!
2. Tormato- Holy Shit!!!!!!!
3. Magnification- They didn`t learn their lesson from the second album. It didn`t work thirty one years ago.
4. Big Generator- And this took 2 years to record?????
5. Time and a word- Why bother having a guitar and keyboard player if you have an orchestra playing their parts. What was the point?

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<font color=red><font face='Papyrus'>In all honesty, I don't think I can list my 5 worst as I don't consider any YES album bad enough to affix so pitiful a label. However, as with anyone else, there are albums that I care for less than others and the following should represent my subjective take on the topic;

1. <i>YES</i>--necessary but only a few 'grabber' tracks. The rest is certainly more than adequate.

2. <i>Time and a Word</i>--- wonderful passages, interesting lyrics, but for me, lackluster compared to future efforts. Forgiveable since they were still evolving.

3. <i>Open Your Eyes</i>-- YES at half-speed. Capable of so much better but yet, still strangely satisfying.

4. <i>Tormato</i>-- Not sure what YES had in mind here. There are fleeting moments of greatness ( "Onward" & "Release, Release" ) combined with extensive 'missions' into territory that should have never been chartered. I still appreciate much of its...uniqueness?

5. <i>Keys to Ascension</i>-studio tracks...musical experiments devoid of YES passion. Still, there is a lure.
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Post: # 27631Post YesJo
Mon Aug 12, 2002 9:11 am

I don't think I can even write down 5 that are weak, but I'll try.

Big Generator

90215

Drama

Union

There, that's 4, sorry about putting Drama guys, I just can't get used to it without Jon, it shouldn't be called Yes.

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Post: # 27790Post TenVoices
Wed Aug 14, 2002 2:33 am

5. Open Your Eyes
4. Tormato
3. Time and a Word
2. Yes
1. Magnificraption

I still haven't determined if Keys is a studio album worth ranking, but if I did it would probably be right above Magnification.

Union and Drama get honorable mentions in this category.

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Post: # 27803Post Mola Mola
Wed Aug 14, 2002 4:31 am

Yeah...yeah....knew it was coming. <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

Oddly enough, I brought Open Your Eyes to work with me today, because I hadn't listened to it in about a year and wanted to re-spin it.

I tend to think of Yes' not-so-bright moments as weak, rather than "bad"...every album has at least one good track for me!

Having said that:

1) 9012Live-the Solos
2) Open Your Eyes
3) KTA2
4) Big Generator
5) Union

I guess the first two would be 6 and 7...in fact, if "Beyond and Before" was on Yesterdays, I'd probably never listen to Yes or TaaW!
It's not that I don't like them....just not as much as...everything else not mentioned here!!
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Post: # 27949Post Aventure
Thu Aug 15, 2002 8:49 pm

1. 90125 I was personally offended by this one
2. Big Generator What a joke
3. Talk
4. OYE
5. Union (yuck)

I really like ABWH!!! Especially Themes, Fist of Fire and Teakbois. There are a couple of stinkers on there, but this was more Yes than that "other" band full of imposters, more Yes than the Igor and Billy lineup.

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Post: # 27954Post Dr_Yes
Thu Aug 15, 2002 9:52 pm

1. Talk - boring psuedo-country collection of Billy Ray and Tammy Wynette outtakes spoil what could have been a good album. It's principal claim to fame is how it was recorded. Why is another matter altogether as certian members of the band that did the Union tour were shafted for this steaming pile of excreta. <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

2. Union - it seems unfair to call it a Yes album in light of all the revelations. I am minded though to slam Jimmy Haun's guitar work as dull and take a swipe at whoever had the brain(less)wave to wipe all the band members' playing to get his mates on the album. High spot for me is probably The More We Live - though I prefer the other version I've got.

3. Big Generator - took a f@#k of a long time to reach us and I thought, WHAT IS THIS? The lyrics were tosh (give me cosmic any day):

Night time fever burning till you're higher
Take me over lead me through the fire
The rhythm of love
To the rhythm of love
The rhythm of love
To the rhythm of love
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Big generator
Hands upon the wheel
Big generator
In for the kill
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Here is my heart (okay so far)
Waiting for you (yes, fine, goes well)
Here is my soul (heart + soul + waiting for you = cool)
I eat at chez nous (what the F........)
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4. Tormato - why use one note when four thousand will do. The time when Rick Wakeman bought lots of new keyboards that sounded naff. Two great songs plus an awful lot of padding. c.f. Rick's slamming of Tales Tormato was pure window dressing.

5. Yes - but probably not very fair as it was their first album and all that.

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>
<b>Aventure wrote:</b>
1. 90125 I was personally offended by this one
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Explain this, please?? <img src=pix/icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle> Just curious.


And Dr. Yes: "Endless Dream" and "Real Love" are psuedo-COUNTRY outtakes?!! <img src=pix/icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> The only two songs that sound even a bit country-ish are "Walls" (somewhat jangly, so yeah, ok) and "The Calling" (BARELY, only due to the one guitar break in the middle of the song)!

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Post: # 28002Post HeartOfTheSunrise
Fri Aug 16, 2002 7:15 am

this is a discussion forum not an argument forum
but it is nice to see someone back up Talk for a change
i liked that cd a lot - not one of my top five or bottom five

Dr YES, i liked that i eat at chez nous thing
my sentiments exactly (what the F?)

i hate to think YES was just putting an album out or touring cause of the money

but during some part of the eighties and nineties their albums were not the Classic type

but yet, they did try to get back with the Ladder - an album not on many's best or worst list - but it meant something more than the music itself on it

it meant YES was back, and it was followed up with MAG
again, the meaning of the album being put out is more important than the quality of the songs - for me anyway

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Post: # 28029Post YesJo
Fri Aug 16, 2002 10:58 am

Dr. Yes, too true about Big Generator, if I was offended by an album, this would be the one, ugh.

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<b>psychopomp95 wrote:</b>
And Dr. Yes: "Endless Dream" and "Real Love" are psuedo-COUNTRY outtakes?!! <img src=pix/icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> The only two songs that sound even a bit country-ish are "Walls" (somewhat jangly, so yeah, ok) and "The Calling" (BARELY, only due to the one guitar break in the middle of the song)!

<hr><i>But then, I'm just a Rabin fan!</i>
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Okay, as I've said before (of the Endless Dream bootleg) "Real Love" isn't bad, in fact it's a half decent AOR pop tune <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>. And "Endless Dream" to <i>me</i> should have been called "Endlessly Dull & Overly Long Bad Dream". But the rest of the album? - forget it.

Hey, but then, I'm not much of a Rabin fan!

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<b>Dr_Yes wrote:</b>
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<b>psychopomp95 wrote:</b>
And Dr. Yes: "Endless Dream" and "Real Love" are psuedo-COUNTRY outtakes?!! <img src=pix/icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> The only two songs that sound even a bit country-ish are "Walls" (somewhat jangly, so yeah, ok) and "The Calling" (BARELY, only due to the one guitar break in the middle of the song)!

<hr><i>But then, I'm just a Rabin fan!</i>
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Okay, as I've said before (of the Endless Dream bootleg) "Real Love" isn't bad, in fact it's a half decent AOR pop tune <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>. And "Endless Dream" to <i>me</i> should have been called "Endlessly Dull & Overly Long Bad Dream". But the rest of the album? - forget it.

Hey, but then, I'm not much of a Rabin fan!
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Steve Howe just about summed up Talk when he said "it was okay but it wasn't YES music". I happen to like it, but then again I like TOTO, Foreigner! It has some good music on it but in no way could it be classed as YES music. This was very much a Rabin solo project.

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Post: # 28051Post Dr_Yes
Fri Aug 16, 2002 6:23 pm

Seb,

Hi and welcome back! Hope you got my latest e-mail (have been havingh a lot of problems with Freeserve of late and it keeps dumping me offline), and thanks too for your comments and thoughts on the CD I sent you!

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<b>psychopomp95 wrote:</b>
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<b>Aventure wrote:</b>
1. 90125 I was personally offended by this one
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Explain this, please?? <img src=pix/icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle> Just curious.

I was a big Yes fan and had waited YEARS (5) for a new album by them and the first thing I hear is "owner of a lonely heart"...I nearly cried..."this is worse than Asia", I said to myself. I was the only person in my whole school who had even heard of Yes, much less was a big fan. Then suddenly, they are playing it at the prom...The only thing (yes) that truly meant anything to this (then) 11th grader was Yes, now it had been stripped away from me and given to everybody's 12-year-old-daughter. What was once cool and souly mine, was now awash in commercialism and was competing with "Beat It" by Michael Jackson. They should have called it Cinema and let Yes die, because it wasnt Yes.

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Post: # 28397Post jackalz
Tue Aug 20, 2002 10:43 am

Awwwwwww. Poor you. You had to share your Yes with the commoners. They really let your ego down.

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Post: # 28480Post chromatic88
Wed Aug 21, 2002 11:27 am

1. Open Your Eyes
2. 90125
3. Keys Studio
4. Tormato
5. Tales (actually I like alot of Tales (except for the sucky production), but a little less than every other album not listed above.

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