5 Worst Yes Albums (you knew it was coming)

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<b>Affirmative wrote:</b>
Magnification*
I've listened to it twice since it came out.

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<font color=maroon>That's the point.
Mag is one of those albums wich will grow on you. It wasn't before the 10th time or so, that it grabbed my attention. I got more and more interested in what I heard. and then after a month I was completely into it. try it if you want.
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<b>Affirmative wrote:</b>
Magnification*
Time and a Word
Open Your Eyes
Onion
Big Generator

*Mag is the worst Yes album BY FAR. Bleak, bland, dreadfully simple. I've listened to it twice since it came out.

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<b>Chris2210 wrote:</b>
[Where did you pick up that version? The one I've got is in the top five list I'll never make, (I'm sure that's going to influence your choices, not.)

I can only hope the DVD-A disc I'm about to purchase has the same tracks as the CD I bought on Sept 10 last year.
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Post: # 33564Post tempus_volat
Sat Nov 02, 2002 5:51 am

After several weeks of replies to this topic, here
are the results (so far) for worst Yes albums, in
order of voting (worst first):

22: Open Your Eyes
16: Big Generator
13: Tormato
13: Union
11: Keystudio (and Keys to Ascension)
10: Yes
9: Time and a Word
9: Talk
7: 90125
6: Drama
5: Tales
5: Magnification
5: ABWH
5: 9012Live

with a couple of others... So OYE is the hands-down loser... :-)

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Post: # 33593Post HeartOfTheSunrise
Sat Nov 02, 2002 12:59 pm

i wonder how much of that is becuase people are bandwagoning
i wonder what the outcome would be if we all independently, without reading each other's comments, made a bottom five list

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Post: # 33599Post perpetualchanger
Sat Nov 02, 2002 8:23 pm

I don't recall any "bandwagoning" taking place here. Everyone who posted within this thread seems quite capable of thinking for themselves, even when their opinion didn't agree with the majority.


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Post: # 33618Post WalrusOct9
Sun Nov 03, 2002 8:07 am

Agreed. Maybe "Open Your Eyes" is just crappy. :
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<b>Astral traveller wrote:</b>
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<b>Affirmative wrote:</b>
Magnification*
I've listened to it twice since it came out.

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<font color=maroon>That's the point.
Mag is one of those albums wich will grow on you. It wasn't before the 10th time or so, that it grabbed my attention. </font id=maroon>
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WOW, that's a whole lot of patience on your part!! <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> I have to commend you! I definitely do have patience with music, but I'd never be able to listen to an album TEN times if there was nothing about it that grabbed me at some point along the way. The hardest recent one for me was 'Vapor Trails' by Rush... it took about five (not complete) listens to the album before I started to hear some stuff that I liked (besides 'One Little Victory' of course), and now I consider it to quite a strong album even by Rush's standards! <img src=pix/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Post: # 33705Post Astral traveller
Tue Nov 05, 2002 10:39 pm

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I had it in my disc-man for a couple of weeks then. so whenever I was travelling, I had it on.
(so it was like one time a day, that's less than 2 weeks)
Vapor Trails, same thing.
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Post: # 33724Post TenVoices
Wed Nov 06, 2002 3:31 am

I've listened to Magnification at least 30 times. I've listened to it repeatedly. I've listened to it once a month. I've listened to it one song at a time with a day between each, and I've still yet to hear anything outside the orchestration worthy of the Yes I admire.

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Your poll total would be more interesting if you sampled the people who admire both classic Yes and the YesWest line up. I think most of the 90125 votes come from YesWest haters.

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Post: # 33725Post TenVoices
Wed Nov 06, 2002 3:38 am

And I'm not trying to plug 90125. It is in the bottom half of my Yes catalog.

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<b>TenVoices wrote:</b>
I've listened to Magnification at least 30 times. I've listened to it repeatedly. I've listened to it once a month. I've listened to it one song at a time with a day between each, and I've still yet to hear anything outside the orchestration worthy of the Yes I admire.

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I have also listened to this effort many times because I was sure I was missing something that everyone else seemed to love. I still hate it - its awful.

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Magnifshication is an album that should have never been made. It is not akin to excretia like the horrid `Open Your Eyes',but the orchestrs idea is so 1970`s it is ridiculous. And `The ladder was such a great album. Talk about stepping in the wrong direction. They tried it on `Time and a Word', it flopped miserably. Didn`t they learn from that lesson? Ahmet Ertegun was ready to drop their asses after this mess. Deep purple tried an album with an orchestra, ELP tried it; all those albums were flops. Were Yes trying to be highbrow on this? Puhleeezzze!!!!!! I think they were just peeved that people were thinking they couldn`t make a great album without a capable keyboardist. Well, they were right in assuming this. Why did Igor go? Was he fired because he couldn`t comprehend `the depths of whatever' like Moraz couldn`t? I sure as hell did not see anything wrong with his keyboard playing.
The title track of Magnifshication isn`t so bad. But `Don`t Go' is plain cheesy and embarassing. `In the Presence of' just plain sucks. Languid and boring. The rest is eminently forgettable. Use it as a coaster on your living room table while you are guzzling down beer.
And a msg to you HOTS---- I certainly didn`t jump on anyone`s bandwagon. I`m convinced of my choices. I`m rude, crude, lacking couth, and proud of it. But i`m honest at least. What ya read is what ya get!!!!<img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=pix/jestera.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Magnifshication is an album that should have never been made.
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For those of us that do get it I have to cast a vote for the fact that it should have been made. I still rate this as one of the strongest Yes albums of all time, it would definitely be in my top ten if I ever tried to work out such a list.

I thought that The Ladder was a genuine return to form though it had its weaker moments but Magnification took that on and was better still. Its the most complete album they've made for a long time.

So, as usual our opinions differ but it's wrong to suggest that something that has brought so much pleasure to so many of us should not have been made . . .

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I've gotta agree with Simon... in fact I'd place it in my top FIVE unquestionably (I listen to it more than most of the 70's albums because it holds together better as a whole album, whereas with the 'classic' stuff I'm more likely to play just a song or two)! But at the same time I can see why people get so turned off by it... it certainly doesn't 'rock' in anything approaching a conventional manner, and much of it is sappy (mind you, most Yes songs since around 1977 are)! <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> But the best tracks are truly great, and "Give Love Each Day" manages the impressive feat of sounding almost completely modern, perhaps more so than any Yes song for the past 20 years!

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While dismissing an album as being part of the five worst, I will emphisize it's strong points(if there are any) and what prevents it from being a complete turd:

1.)Open your Eyes-not much to debate here, and no HOTS, I can formulate my own opinions...I decided this was garbage back in Nov.of 1997...though " New state of mind" is tolarable, that isn't saying much...every notice " From the Balcony" and " Soft as a dove " are virtually the same guitar chord progression?

2.)Keys to Acension-When a band has to look back at it's past at the urging of it's dwindling fanbase and decide what made them great in the first place and hope to move forward, it's a sign of serious trouble. Coupled that with some really lousy, uninspired " Live" performances, that were in reality just live backing tracks with vocals completely re-recorded, this project sported maximum talent and shitty results...though we did get a new, nifty Roger Dean logo all lovelingly encased with nice photos and liner notes, albeit inflated by the Gottleib bros. of Yes magazine...to bad this effort wasn't applied to the music rather than the packaging.

3.)Keys to Acension 2-More of the same, in a way, you can now use these as bookends, as their covers are virtually identical; Though to be fare, " Mind Drive " had the makings of being something truly great, only to regress into the same problems that have plagued the band for the last ten years; the other tracks are inconsequential, but like the aforementioned " Mind Drive," have their spots of brilliance. At least this wasn't as bad as the acompanying DVD/laserdisc/vhs...the worst concert film I've ever seen...has production values that would be eclipsed by a high schooler filming a cow tipping session...it is currently the only DVD that I've returned not for being defective.

4.)Big Generator-Three singer-songwriters(Anderson,Squire,Rabin) who simply could not collaborate or decide on what was shit and what was worthy, coupled with the tremendous pressure of following a stellar album and seller in 90125; It does have some nice moments, especially in " Rhythm of love," which I always thought was Yes's best commercial rock song ever, but alas, it began a trend that Yes has followed up to the present of including some standouts, whilst being sandwiched in with some really horrific music.

5.)Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe-The biggest thing that surprised me about this contrived effort was roping Bruford back in...wow, I never thought " tubs" would play with these guys again. Anyway, the music does have some inspired moments, but It sounds like Steve and Jon had fragments of songs and cellophaned them together, with Wakeman completely overduing his keyboard parts just for sake of reminding people if they had forgotten how great he is. Jon's voice is awsome as usual, but the songs topics become really incoherent and vague, even by Anderson's standards. And although Bruford back in the drum throne is quite nice, the only acoustic instrument he uses is his snare and cymbals, wich are drowned out by the umistakable sound of Simmons electronic percussion trying to sound like real drums...nice for effects, but sound to artificial as front line drums.

Some dishonorable mentions: 9012live-Kaye has a solo spot...nuff' said!
The Ladder-The opening track is the best thing Yes have done in twenty years, and if the rest of this uneven album was even close to this, it would have a been a new classic...though " Nine Voices" replicates the " all good people" and " Wonderous Stories" beauty quite nicely, and is a geat tune in it's own right.

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Post: # 34339Post Dr_Yes
Fri Nov 15, 2002 8:11 pm

Interesting that this one has run and run for so long and that the knives are still out and very sharp where Magnification is concerned. Perhaps

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is a little too harsh considering how others here love the album. But we're all entitled to our opinions. Mine refuses to sway on this and I am not bandwagoning HOTS as I posted my initial thoughts on the album a day after it was released and before I'd heard anything from anyone else. I still find great chunks of the album lacking in dynamics and passion. I have struggled hard to 'get it' as others here obviusly do but find myself questioning the greatness of music that requires so so much effort to hear the hidden jewels. It's a bit like those 3D pictures that you struggle to see the hidden image and are intensely disappointed to find a quite naff after all.

Sure, for me the album has some highs - ITPO, Magnification and maybe sections of Give Love Each Day - but overall I find my tastes have diverged from what the Yesmen feel they want to record now. It could just be an age thing and they're mellower now, nothing wrong with that.

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Sure, for me the album has some highs - ITPO, Magnification and maybe sections of Give Love Each Day - but overall I find my tastes have diverged from what the Yesmen feel they want to record now. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Interesting - since you and I are not that far off in age and musical likes/dislikes - but I find they are recording exactly what I want to hear!

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Post: # 34347Post fragilesi
Fri Nov 15, 2002 9:35 pm

I've said before that I'm really a fan of the last two albums and I think that they represent a genuine return to form which the Keys albums and others only ever hinted at.

I guess the question that we should start asking now is . . .what next? We've had live albums and DVDs but what will the next album be like? I can't see them doing the orchestra thing again but with Wakeman back in the fold it will be interesting to see what gets produced - assuming he does stick around that long.

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Interesting - since you and I are not that far off in age and musical likes/dislikes - but I find they are recording exactly what I want to hear!

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I think I am rediscovering my angsty youth at the moment - could be a reaction to parenthood (ha ha). Seriously, I seem to be more into things like Linkin Park, Muse, RHCP, Radiohead and other faster/ heavier stuff too that's all. Which is why I think I don't like Magnification as much as some - this is I hope a more constructive way of analysing my thoughts rather than saying it's a crap album and shouldn't have been made.

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I think I am rediscovering my angsty youth at the moment - could be a reaction to parenthood (ha ha). Seriously, I seem to be more into things like Linkin Park, Muse, RHCP, Radiohead and other faster/ heavier stuff too that's all. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

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<b>fragilesi wrote:</b>
I've said before that I'm really a fan of the last two albums and I think that they represent a genuine return to form which the Keys albums and others only ever hinted at.

I guess the question that we should start asking now is . . .what next? We've had live albums and DVDs but what will the next album be like? I can't see them doing the orchestra thing again but with Wakeman back in the fold it will be interesting to see what gets produced - assuming he does stick around that long.

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Yeah - what is next for them? I hear horror stories about album sales of 75,000 in the UK (a few months after launch) and I guess we'll see some live stuff released in 2003 to cash in on the recent tours (not that I blame them or that I am complaining). So how do they move forward? If Wakeman stays onboard it seems to me the biggest lesson they must learn from the relative success of The Ldder and Magnification is that the strength of Yes' music is born from them writing, rehearsing and recording together. They also had a strong and good guiding hand in Brucie by all accounts to temper the egos and show them the way.

I suppose all I am saying is that I fear any output that isn't stemming from them commiting to record new songs together in this way will have the - IMO - awful diluted results found on Keys I and II. And the pessimist in me sees that scenario as a more likely result given Wakeman's and Howe's other commitments and the band's general tendency to self-destruct coz they don't get on too well socially.

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psychopomp95 has been working on your musical taste while he's been in the UK, I see. <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Glad to have you back in the fold.

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Post: # 34463Post bi-polar bear
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I think you have to look at their body of work and not pick an album. Everything they have done has some wonderful things in it.
Cept of course of for Open Your Eyes and Drama, they suck fo sho.

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Post: # 35028Post thrill
Tue Nov 26, 2002 7:42 am

5 worst


1.Talk--Rabin solo album, drum mix is terrible.

2.Union--Only a couple of decent tracks, the album has no 'flow' at all.

3.Drama-"Run Through The Light" and "Tempus Fugit" good songs, but they don't make an album.

4. Big Generator---BIG disappointment after 90125.

5. Open Your Eyes--Sheerwood's Yes---not ours. What were they thinking?

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3.Drama-"Run Through The Light" and "Tempus Fugit" good songs, but they don't make an album.
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Post: # 35072Post Deloso
Tue Nov 26, 2002 3:32 pm

My top 5 worst Yes albums

1 Open your eyes
2 Union
3 Talk
4 The Ladder
5 Manification

I'm still waiting for that next great Yes Album
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<b>Dr_Yes wrote:</b>
I think I am rediscovering my angsty youth at the moment - could be a reaction to parenthood (ha ha). Seriously, I seem to be more into things like Linkin Park, Muse, RHCP, Radiohead and other faster/ heavier stuff too that's all. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

psychopomp95 has been working on your musical taste while he's been in the UK, I see. <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Funny, cuz despite that, I think Magnification is a fantastic album! <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> Sure, I like heavier stuff, but I like moving stuff as well!

And to all those who dismiss Talk as a Rabin solo album: dismiss all of the other YesWest discs as likewise, because he did no more or less on Talk than he'd done before (he'd been producing and playing keyboards all along)!
I find it strange that, seemingly, the people who most dislike Talk are very strongly into 'Classic Yes', and in some cases don't mind 90125... it's almost as if they find it offensive that such a 'simple pop band' <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> would try write <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> SERIOUS <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> music and maybe even sound a bit more like 'Classic Yes' in the bargain!

Oh, and Thrill: I thought the drum sound on Talk was fabulous! I like heavy-sounding drums! Just goes to show nothing is beyond opinion, I suppose! <img src=pix/icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Post: # 35083Post fragilesi
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<b>thrill wrote:</b>
3.Drama-"Run Through The Light" and "Tempus Fugit" good songs, but they don't make an album.
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That's why it has <i>Machine Messiah</i> in particular and the others to make it a full album I guess . . .

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<b>psychopomp95 wrote:</b>
And to all those who dismiss Talk as a Rabin solo album: dismiss all of the other YesWest discs as likewise, because he did no more or less on Talk than he'd done before (he'd been producing and playing keyboards all along)!
I find it strange that, seemingly, the people who most dislike Talk are very strongly into 'Classic Yes', and in some cases don't mind 90125... it's almost as if they find it offensive that such a 'simple pop band' <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> would try write <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> SERIOUS <img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> music and maybe even sound a bit more like 'Classic Yes' in the bargain!
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I know it isn't you that makes this claim Trev, but actually Talk is (according to JA anyway -see his website), the most collaborative of the three YesWest albums. IMO it's easily the pick of the bunch and far more 'Yeslike' than 90125 and BG. That's not to say that Trevor didn't play a large role in it of course - just that it wasn't virtually all his songs as the other two were.

Given that it is a relatively commercial album, it might surprise you to hear I think it is the most consistently successful album of those produced between Tormato and Magnification...

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