Tormato Again...

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Tormato Again...

Post: # 1734Post YesJo
Tue Oct 08, 2002 4:32 am

I've been listening alot to Tormato and what a cool album it is. Future Times/Rejoice, Release, Release, Don't Kill the Whale, Madrigal, all classics imo. How about you?

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Post: # 32341Post fragilesi
Tue Oct 08, 2002 2:29 pm

On The Silent Wings Of Freedom . . . where we offer ourselves.

This to me is the best song on the album but it's one I enjoy getting out and dusting off every so often.

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I've been listening alot to Tormato and what a cool album it is. Future Times/Rejoice, Release, Release, Don't Kill the Whale, Madrigal, all classics imo. How about you?
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Jo,

I am with you on those four (even Don't Kill the Whale, which I like alot). I think this one went down the crapper with Arriving UFO and Circus of Heaven. I never knew that On the Silent Wings of Freedom was so good, because in the days of vinyl, I never played that side of the album.

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Post: # 32353Post Astral traveller
Tue Oct 08, 2002 8:03 pm

<font color=maroon>Tormato is geat, But:

Circus of heaven could have been left off and been replaced by 'Richard'.

Future times/Rejoice (very good), The Whale (cool instrumentation), madrigal (nice to hear in concert this one, and why not), release (the drums), UFO (nice power synths), onward (a beauty), Silent wings (best song on the album)

All GREAT songs, I think.
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Post: # 32359Post TenVoices
Tue Oct 08, 2002 10:43 pm

Tormato and Drama are the albums in my mind that stick out as "not very Yes-like". Either the writing or sound doesn't flow with the earlier albums, so I just don't care for either of them. I hear the flashes of brilliance, but the albums seem pieced together much like Union.

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Post: # 32364Post YesJo
Tue Oct 08, 2002 11:05 pm

Silent Wings of Freedom is great, as well as Onward too, so almost the entire album is beautiful. Circus of Heaven is just kind of silly but so what, it's also kind of Yessy in a tripped out sort of way. I said this in another thread but Circus of Heaven reminds me of the Child Catcher in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, anybody remember that?

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Post: # 32371Post fragilesi
Wed Oct 09, 2002 12:31 am

Yes, I love Onward too, in fact we used it at our wedding!

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Silent Wings is among my top 10 <img src=pix/icon_yes_yes.gif border=0 align=middle> songs. Really like Release, Release too. DKTW has great lyrics and guitar work. Onward is OK. The rest I could take or leave.

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Post: # 32485Post kaboji
Thu Oct 10, 2002 8:10 pm

"On the darkest night so painful
Do you hunger for love midst the torture of being one
On the passing light of Easing
Have you seen you inside midst the being of Everyone
To the common goal of Freedom
Where we offer ourselves midst the balancing of the Sun"

I love this part
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Post: # 32586Post YesJo
Sat Oct 12, 2002 7:40 am

Me too.

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Post: # 32682Post Stoutman
Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:33 am

Tormato is a very valid reason why the punks went apeshit over in Engalnd.
First and foremost, the keyboards are ultra-wimpy on this album. It sounds as if Rick was playing one of those Casios you give a 2 year-old to bash around. And this comes after the toughness of his pipe organ playing on GFTo, a far superior effort , IMO, and also the album that wore the shit out of them. Yes were never consistent in their ouput of good albums after this one.
`Silent... is a great track; It shows the power of the rhythm section,and `Don`t kill the Whale has a good groove to it.
And I nominate `Circus of Heaven' for the second worst track in Yes history. The lyrics are embarrssingly sapppy. You can taste the full dose of sugar you are trying to swallow. IILLLLAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!
Future Times, Arriving UFO???? They really neeeded a break. Burnout and fatigue were showing through.
Oh, Jo, Jo ,Jo, and i lke you so much too. Sorry, I am cruel, but fair. No one is immune. Are you sure you want me around here????

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Tue Oct 15, 2002 4:54 am

Oh my friend Stoutman, when will you realize that I don't care what anyone else thinks about this stuff, I love it and I never cared that anyone else did, I was just amazed to find out that other people did too out there. You don't have to, it's o.k. I still like ya!!!<img src=pix/icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Post: # 32745Post HeartOfTheSunrise
Tue Oct 15, 2002 9:24 am

stout, what's the worst? iyo

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Post: # 32751Post Stoutman
Tue Oct 15, 2002 11:16 am

HOTS, I`m sure you are referring to the song I hate by Yes the most. That would be `City of Love'. The constant thonking of that bass riff gives me a migraine. For me, it`s just really an anoying sing that turns Stout into a mean puppy. That and the Police`s Roxanne; Sting`s falsetto on this one , especially the chorus makes me put my hands up to my head instantaneously. The two songs that get me phsically ill, seriously.
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Post: # 32773Post fragilesi
Tue Oct 15, 2002 2:58 pm

For me it's Spandau Ballet's <i>True</i> that does that to me. When they go into that sugar sweet "ah a ha ah arh" bit I can literally feel my spine twisting with the agony of it. Shame because I thought that they had some interestung stuff early on. But to take it back to Yes before I get booted into Alternate Tunes I've never liked the suggestion that Yes caused punk.

I think that there was plenty of other music around at the time which pushed things that way.

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Post: # 32802Post YesJo
Wed Oct 16, 2002 1:24 am

Yeah, really, Yes causing Punk? I think not! More like disco fever caused it if you asked me, or those horrendous 70's songs like "Saturday Night" by the Bay City Rolllers and Billy Don't be a hero. That would cause me to go punk!

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Post: # 32832Post Stoutman
Wed Oct 16, 2002 10:42 am

Whoa now folks, I never said Yes caused punk to happen, but let`s put it this way,the tormato album did not help their cause. It is one of their weaker albums when you compare it to what has gone on before. When you think of a Yes album, does this spring to mind?
Many reasons why punk happened; Rod stewart going L.A., Mick Jagger jetsetting, the Stones making languid,vapid music McCartney`s `Silly Love Songs' Elton John hobnobbing with royalty,`Afternoon Delight' and `Disco Duck' hitting the top of the charts.
But weak albums by Yes(Tormato), ELP(love Beach), Genesis(and then there were three ) around this time gave credence to the punk movement gaining strength.
No, I never said they caused punk; perhaps I should have phrased it as an album that gave validity to the punk movenment happening.

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Post: # 32836Post fragilesi
Wed Oct 16, 2002 2:51 pm

Hmmm, nothing against what you are saying Stout but I wonder if I'm the only one who gets tired of the idea that punk happened for some great reason within the existing music. It happened because some relatively talentless people realised they could get famous yelling bile into a microphone.

On a recent BBC programme on the seventies they again trotted out the line that it was some kind of revolution and that fans of older bands and artists flocked to this new genre. There was an element of this as punk had its fleeting moment in the spotlight and even I enjoyed laughing about "Frigging in the Rigging" when I as an adloescent but to me punk was just another one of those brief phases that pop went through. And when you look at what followed I don't think that it made any lasting impression in the end.

Ironically I think that now nostalgia (something the punks would have hated the thought of) has blown them into legendary figures but the truth wasn't nearly so spectacular.

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Post: # 32846Post YesJo
Wed Oct 16, 2002 9:02 pm

I agree Simon, punk was fun for awhile, but now it all seems silly. I know what you're saying Stoutman, I hear ya! Maybe Tormato was a little weaker than the ones that went before it, but it is better than the stuff that came after it! For awhile anyway.

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Wed Oct 16, 2002 11:29 pm

Even Yes at their worst is still heads and shoulders above most other things. All great bands mistep. I don`t know of one graet band that has never put out a crappy album(perhaps the Beatles,but that`s another story).
I thought punk was good at first,because it gave a shot in the arm to the music industry. But it did more damage than good; it dumbed down music considerably. It was all about image, more so than anything else and that`s waht music is nowadays. You have to have the right look before anything else.
I never liked it either that Yes was signaled out for helping to cause punk. If anything,blame the veterans such as Jagger and Stewart who becames so disconnected from their fans, all they cvared about was ego-gratification. All Yes was trying to do was put out music thay thought was good.But a lot of people thought technical ability was a sign of arrogance and pretentiousness.I can see how some would since Yes is worlds away from what we think of as rock and roll (it`s not whatt one thinks of when you ear that term; you think of Elvis, Chuck Berry,etc. when all you ever hear is the three minute song how would you think otherwise?), but it was still unfair to lump them in withe `boring old farts' of the time. They were just trying to better themseves, that`s all. And it`s ironic, but some of these punk icons became more experimental with music as time went on.

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Thu Oct 17, 2002 12:38 am

I remember a punk band, I think it was the Sex Pistols, who cited four rock LP's that they said helped them to decided to go punk. One of the albums was Tales from Topographic Oceans. I don't remember as clearly what the other albums were, but I think one was Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.

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Post: # 32891Post fragilesi
Thu Oct 17, 2002 2:52 pm

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<b>jackalz wrote:</b>
I remember a punk band, I think it was the Sex Pistols, who cited four rock LP's that they said helped them to decided to go punk. One of the albums was Tales from Topographic Oceans. I don't remember as clearly what the other albums were, but I think one was Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.
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Hmmm, looks like I stand corrected and I took a look on one of the punk music sites (just one at random and found the following . . .

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>By now late 1976, PUNK had started to explode on to the British scene, in all it's adrenal, amphetamine, gobbing, pogoing glory, led mainly by bands like the one and only SEX PISTOLS , THE CLASH , and THE DAMNED etc in the south, and THE BUZZCOCKS among others in the north, blowing away the directionless, so called "progressive music" era of the early and middle 1970's.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></font id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

How ironic that this music still thrives despite being "blown away" by these bands who were at best 2-3 hit "wonders". I have to admit that the image of Johnny Rotten and Sid Vicious sitting down with a glass of wine and listening to Tales is one that will now live with me forever<img src=pix/icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>.

I couldn't dig up the quote you mention but I'm sure it's out there somewhere. The one that sums it up for me nicely though is . . .

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Post: # 32910Post Aventure
Fri Oct 18, 2002 1:09 am

What caused Punk was that a few thugs went out and stole some guitars...it was never about the music, or a reaction to Disco, or any other form of music (imho). It was about anarchy, rebellion and personal expression. Johnny Rotten can't tell you to this day what chords he is playing, just try to talk to the man for more than a few seconds...

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Post: # 33158Post Deloso
Thu Oct 24, 2002 1:43 pm

I am new to yestalk but not a new Yes fan I've been listening to Yes since the Close to the edge album. When I was 17 my brother who was in the Navy gave me tormato and I just played that cassette every day and this was back in 1978. I found a Tormato cassette on ebay (for the purpose of going back in time) I play the tape almost every night when laying in bed for the night and it brings me back to my high school days. Tormato will always be one of my favorite Yes albums.

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Sat Oct 26, 2002 3:12 am

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Post: # 33289Post Deloso
Sat Oct 26, 2002 2:30 pm

YesJO,
I'm sorry it took me this long to answer you. I lost my way around Yes talk. The first cassette tape I seen of yes was Close to the edge. It was given to me and my 2 brothers back in 1976 I was in the Philippines at the time and this cassette was an import from Japan. We Deep Purple fans and when I heard Close to the edge I was stunned how could music like this sound so good, Yes was breaking all the reles but sounding good. I've always liked Bill Bruford no put down on Alan White, being a drummer myself I like the sync style of Bruford but to be honest Alan came at the right time for Yes. Talk to you later.

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Post: # 33294Post thesage
Sat Oct 26, 2002 4:07 pm

Sorry YesJo but punk was never fun, it represents mediocrity, its anthem was that talent and musical ability was the barrier to rock and roll. It aloud ( pun intended) people with no ability to become successful in the music business at the expense of genuinely talent musicians - nothing positive came from punk! nothing!

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Post: # 33304Post YesJo
Sat Oct 26, 2002 9:48 pm

Well....when I was in college we were very into dancing and bar hopping in the summer time at the jersey shore. I mean, Devo, B-52's, Blondie, Robert Hazard, The Hooters, Elvis Costello, Joe Jackson, Men at Work....maybe they weren't punk, maybe they were New Wave, I don't know but they were fun!

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YesJO,
I'm sorry it took me this long to answer you. I lost my way around Yes talk. The first cassette tape I seen of yes was Close to the edge. It was given to me and my 2 brothers back in 1976 I was in the Philippines at the time and this cassette was an import from Japan. We Deep Purple fans and when I heard Close to the edge I was stunned how could music like this sound so good, Yes was breaking all the reles but sounding good. I've always liked Bill Bruford no put down on Alan White, being a drummer myself I like the sync style of Bruford but to be honest Alan came at the right time for Yes. Talk to you later.
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Deloso,
Close the Edge was my first taste of Yes also, what a way to begin!!!!!

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Post: # 33341Post fragilesi
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<b>YesJo wrote:</b>
Well....when I was in college we were very into dancing and bar hopping in the summer time at the jersey shore. I mean, Devo, B-52's, Blondie, Robert Hazard, The Hooters, Elvis Costello, Joe Jackson, Men at Work....maybe they weren't punk, maybe they were New Wave, I don't know but they were fun!
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Yesjo there's some grat pop in there but apart from possibly the ones that I've never heard there isn't any punk in there. Punk was right near the bottom of the music food chain. As I've discovered (and confirmed having seen a bit of a documentary about the Sex Pistols last night) they really hated anyoe who could genuinely play. It was very angry music, anti-establishment, anti-anything really.

Most of the people that you mention were at least out to write songs and I have albums by some of them still.

Simon.

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